More on the Moore/Burchill controversy

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The Guardian/Observer has, in a somewhat mealy-mouthed manner withdrawn Burchill's bigoted rant from their website. However, they haven't written a single word of criticism about Burchill, so expect her bigotry to shine forth in her future writings.

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The reader's editor

Angharad's picture

received so many complaints he was investigating, and some readers even went so far as to report it to the Metropolitan Police. So this might just be the start of it.

Angharad

Withdrawn

They also withdrew all the comments. Lots of barking-meets-logic there. I was getting quite amused by the people who claimed, at the same time, that gender is both a social construct and also absolutely determined by one's DNA.

Did anyone actually say that?

I read a lot of the comments but with over 2000 not all of them - not even 10%. I certainly didn't read any that contradicted themselves as you suggest but I've been known to be wrong. Most were supportive of TG individuals and most who didn't condemn Burchill outright merely supported her right to free speech (even one who claimed it was her constitutional right until it was pointed out that the UK doesn't have a (written) constitution with whatever amendment that is).

It was a vile piece regardless of ones feeling about TG but not much different from most of her other writing. She has form. I liked the picture of her with the prominently displayed crucifix hanging from her neck. I think it might be called the Aitken defence :)

Robi

I KNOW!

Interesting choice of necklace-wear, seeing as her hate and vitriol have nothing to do with the ideas Jesus pushed.
A sad and cowardly response to her piece: remove the evidence and hope all forget, or spread lies and rumors about what her piece - and the controversy - really are about.
The original controversy is already being reported as a bad reaction by the "trannies" to an innocuous statement by Moore.
I really do hope I'm wrong, and that more action against her is taken. But I'm not putting any money on it. **Sigh**

Words may be false and full of art;
Sighs are the natural language of the heart.
-Thomas Shadwell

Well...

Personally I've always taken issue with the use of the cross as a symbol of Christianity... Christ's TRUE suffering was in the Garden before hand anyways!

Besides. It's not any of his suffering which we should be espousing, symbolizing, memorializing, or even, it seems by some, CELEBRATING... But his life and the things he taught in deed and word. I think a dove is a better Christian symbol.

Abigail Drew.

Neck wear

She describes herself as an ex-Christian and a self-identified Zionist Jew.

Gender and DNA

There were indeed an awful lot of comments, and soem commenters were quite prolix. A large number gave variations of the idea that sex/gender are the same thing, and determined entirely by what is in your DNA. I had my own conversation, if you can call it that, over the suggestion that 'men' with my issues should see a psychiatrist before, I quote, taking an apple corer to my genitals. I pointed out the way things work, and ended up leaving the 'chat' with a suggestion that I would follow the advice of qualified medical people rather than an internet avatar.
Many, many stuck with the 'got no ovaries, ain't no female' line, and a lot trotted out the Money-inspired 'gender is a social construct' rubbish, to which I replied 'gender ROLES...' but, yes, several did indeed argue the contradictory position I described above.Ther were an AWFUL lot of sock puppets.

Wow...

The capacity of some people to prove their own ignorance truly astounds.

It amazes me that people can so readily leave behind logic for the sake of comfort.

Is knowledge and enlightenment truly such a fearsome beast as most people seem to believe?

Anyways, I usually just walk away and quietly giggle to myself when I watch people contradict themselves with fallacious argument. Though sometimes I do find myself drawn into pointing out their fallacies... Which of course they refuse to acknowledge even having had them pointed out to them clear as day.

So... It amazes me. And it scares me. Yet slowly it continues to decrease my capacity to be amazed by it. Is it any wonder that the truly intelligent are always so jaded?

I guess it is true what they say, ignorance is bliss. But in that case, is utopia blissful at all, or, is a state of bliss in fact the greatest dystopia imaginable? And perhaps a true utopia would consist of endless strife!

I don't know. A part of me does retain some small kernel of a hope that some day, some how, it will be possible to have bliss without choosing willful ignorance.

Abigail Drew.

The Guardian/Observer

is just adding fuel to the fire, if you ask me.

    Stanman
May Your Light Forever Shine