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My heart goes out to those poor people killed or injured by another angry man with a rifle. On a day of celebration they were attacked for some so far unknown reason.

I know it is not guns that kill, it's people. But giving those that want to kill people easy access to guns makes it a lot more likely to happen.

Here are some frightening stats about gun deaths in the USA.

Firearms deaths are a fixture in American life.There were 1.5 million of them between 1968 and 2017 - that's higher than the number of soldiers killed in every US conflict since the American War for Independence in 1775.

In 2020 alone, 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries , whether by homicide or suicide, more than any other year on record. The figure represents a 25% increase from five years prior, and a 43% increase from 2010.

24,300 suicide 19,400 homicide

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-41488081

I know the genie is well and truly out of the bottle, and have no idea how it could be solved..

When the news showed a picture of the shooter and said

"wore women's clothing during the shooting to conceal his identity"

I can guess where it may be heading. Possibly another excuse for trans bashing.

There is little information about the suspect yet, but if it turns out he is trans who knows ?

Hopefully is was just a disguise to escape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbWls-FIeAY

Comments

Demented

This mastermind spent a great deal of time planning and somehow thought wearing a disguise would save him, when he left the murder weapon at the scene of the crime.

Jill

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)

I don't think "rational" can

leeanna19's picture

I don't think "rational" can be applied to anyone who would do a thing like this. It's like the idiot suicide bombers we have had in the UK, or the ones that run amok with knives. They get an idea in their head.

If you were a sane, stone cold killer you would use a truck or something. I'm amazed that someone hasn't done that in Oxford street. I suppose they think they will escape if they use a gun.

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Leeanna

Disguise

CNN and others reported an assumption that his choice of disguise was an attempt to alter his "distinctive appearance", which included face and neck tattoos and "colorful hair". One report said he'd donned a wig to conceal the latter (and possibly some of the tats, if it was long enough). Haven't seen any confirmation on that, though.

Eric

Always the Gun

BarbieLee's picture

Ever thought what war would be like if only one nation had guns? Everyone needs to go back and look at all the dictatorships. In every single nation, it was removing guns from the populace was the first thing. Does removing cars ever come up? More people die in vehicle accidents than killed by a gun.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2019/08/05/gun-owners...

https://www.quora.com/The-CDC-has-said-guns-save-3-million-l...

The things no one mentions are the number of times homeowners stopped an intruder(s) in their home because they had a gun themselves. The number of times a female stopped an attack because she had a gun. I don't advocate "everyone" should carry. I've been out with people who scared the absolute shit out of me the way they mishandled a gun. They were an accident looking to happen. Lord knows enough of those happen every year because people don't understand handling a gun is like driving a high performance vehicle. Never get lax about holding it or using it. Empty guns kill people every year. Remember the movie producer who killed his director? Remember the movie actor who shot himself in the head? I think the set was "Hero" or something similar.

https://www.nrawomen.com/ Do some enlightened reading people. And if you are afraid of guns, then do NOT handle one and for God's Sake don't carry. If you feel so threatened and don't want to read about them, at least go down to the article and read "the armed citizen" where everyday someone's life was saved because they had their hands on a gun.

Come visit me and we'll go out back and I let you handle an empty gun. If you can prove to me you understand how to hold it. We'll put some live ammo in it and you can practice killing some paper targets. Keep in mind, non of my own children or friends will shoot my guns after one outing because they hurt them. I own some serious hardware. I've tried and tried to teach everyone how to hold and shoot a serious weapon. Maybe it's because I grew up handling guns I hold them differently than anyone else I've ever met. Guns and driving, I started when I was six years old.

I also own a twenty two. That's usually what everyone likes to practice with. Most here probably never heard or read Charlton Heston's response when he gave a speech at the NRA. "They can have my gun when they pry it out of my cold dead fingers."

If guns were the killer, no one would make it out of a gun show alive.

A woman with a carry permit stopped a mass murder. https://www.wral.com/woman-credited-with-stopping-mass-shoot...

These stories happen everyday but you don't read or hear about them from the MSM or the Democrats. All you hear or read is how "evil" guns are.
With tragic events such as the shooting of a bible study group at a church in Charleston, South Carolina, the stories of heroic self defense and lives saved by legal gun owners are often overlooked.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/multimedia/collection/good-g...

A gun is a responsibility just like a driver's license. Not everyone who has one should. Give it some thought. Would you rather have the person with the cellphone or me beside you if you're in a crowd and some insane person starts shooting everyone? I carry because I can answer a life ending threat in three tenths of a second while a phone call is thirty minutes later. I hope I never have to prove it, but may God have mercy if I ever do.
Hugs Leeanna
Barb
Life is a gift. God gave your life to you. Don't let anyone else abuse it or take it from you.

Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl

I agree with Barbie. It's

I agree with Barbie. It's ALWAYS the gun. Even though you said "it's not the gun that kills" - you immediately blamed the guns. It's like the 'endfamilyfire' (dot org) Ad Council/Brady push to say that veterans automatically store their guns badly, causing them to commit suicide. (Yes, the billboards imply that. Over half of the veteran's suicides were gun related, so store your guns safely.)

I say it's not the gun. It's the automobile. In that same time period, according to the US Government statistics, there were 2,167,424 automotive deaths. Note that there have also been fewer cars out there than firearms.

If you'll join me in banning all forms of motorized transport, I'll join you in banning all firearms. We'll solve all of the deaths in the country! Well, other than those caused by power tools. That's another 400,000 emergency room visits, with 22,000 being from nail guns. We'll have to ban those too.

Look - I get that other countries look down on the US for gun ownership. Many of those people looking down on us are in countries that were historically overrun by the last dictatorships that confiscated firearms. They don't have a Second Amendment to their Constitution, specifically insisted upon by the states so that their citizens could overthrow the government by force - again - if necessary. (This happened in 1946, in Athens, Tennessee) There are processes to eliminate that Amendment - we simply have traitors to the country that constantly think they can bypass the Constitution through legislation. (In fact, if you have a rep that does that, whether or not you want it, let them know that it's treason. Push for an amendment, and ask them to voluntarily turn themselves in to the local federal authorities for treason. )

If you want to know how to fix these problems? True homocide. Kill all the humans. That's the only solution for it.

If you want to know what would actually HELP? Mandatory education. Not in actually using firearms, but firearms handling and safety. What to do when confronted with one, if you find your kids playing with one, how to unload one safely, how to store them, etc. Until the 1970's, just about every kid growing up either had, or knew someone who had, a 22 rifle. Even in the core cities, people were exposed to them, and knew what to do (or not do) around them. Nowadays, we have people that only see them in the movies, and keep thinking they're magical death wands, that mind-control people into insanity.

Please remember, people, that firearms have been part of the US since long before the Revolution, and even through the automatic weapons period (1860's through 1920's) were legal for just about anyone that could afford them - until Prohibition, quite possibly the largest and most expensive mistake the country has ever had. At that point, the people that were successfully fighting against the government led the government to start to demonize people with guns. Prior to that, they were mostly part of the furniture, or fashion accessories. Think about that - 140 years of firearms not being a problem, then suddenly they were evil - to the government. After WW-II, that died down again. Until the 1980s. Where one person who ended up in a wheelchair started a massive campaign because he was shot by someone who didn't know how to handle a gun. He decided that the guns were to blame for the world's problems - rather than the shooter. He and his wife have continued to spout that drivel for decades. Anti-education, pro-ban, pro-confiscation, anti-Constitution.

I'm not advocating that people that kill, no matter what they use, are good people. I'm simply saying to stop blaming the tool for bad craftsmanship. If you want good craftsmanship, push for better education and training, and stop blaming good craftsmen for stopping bad craftsmen. (or being bad craftsmen because they own a tool)


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

I get it, you like guns. The

leeanna19's picture

I get it, you like guns. The problem with the USA is there are so many guns. When "the right to bear arms" was written you had muskets. Very hard to do a mass shooting with a musket.

I would say owning guns is fine, but keep them at home locked away or at least separated from the ammo. Keep them at the shooting range or the gun club. You can still shoot for fun. We do this in the UK. My bother owns around 10 firearms. I have shot them at his club. I enjoyed it.

He was involed in a fight once and the police were on the verge of taking his licence away. Just because he owned firearms.

It would need a huge effort to stop the problem. In the UK you are assessed by the local police before you can own a gun. Perhaps if you were put in prison for 5 years for carrying one in public it would help.

The problem is it is ingrained in your culture. Hunting etc. You can have 98% of responsible gun owners, but 2% with an automatic weapon can still do a lot of damage. Barb you cite where gun owners have foiled shootings. They only did that because guns were present in the first place.

It wasn't too easy in the past in the UK. it still lead to the Dunblane massacre
Location Dunblane, Stirling, Scotland
Date 13 March 1996 (26 years ago)
Target Pupils and staff at Dunblane Primary School
Attack typeSchool shooting, mass murder, mass shooting, murder–suicide
Weapons
9mm Browning HP pistol (x2)
Smith & Wesson M19 .357 Magnum revolver (x2)
Deaths 18 (including the perpetrator)[1]
Injured 15
Perpetrator Thomas Hamilton

After this they introduced tighter control on gun ownership. This was one man who had to jump though a few small hoops. Imagine if there were no barrier to stop anyone from owning a gun in the UK? This would have happened again and again. Like it does in the USA.

Guns aren't the probelm. It is the ease of getting one. This is an old article about buying a gun in the USA. Things may vary from state to state I'm told.

I am only in the shop for 40 minutes and the criminal-record check, via computer, lasts five of those. On a form headed "Firearms Transaction Record", I tick the boxes that say I am not "addicted to marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant or narcotic", and that I haven't been "adjudicated mentally defective". The information I've given isn't verified. Ten minutes later, I walk out of Academy with a new 9mm semi-automatic gun, plus cleaning kit and holster. I have only ever shot a real firearm once before - at a shooting range, years ago, with someone who knew what they were doing. Sitting back in my car and staring at the gun in a black plastic bag, I realise I have no idea how to even load it.

I know you mentioned cars. In 2020 more young people died by guns than cars

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2022/05/25/guns-kill-m...

Until the USA decide to regulate and control gun ownership, your citizens will keep being shot.
Yes guns are tools, they can be fun, but in the hands on bad people and the mentally ill they are leathal.

In Australia after the Port Arthur Massacre, more than a million firearms were collected and destroyed, possibly a third of the national stock. A person must have a firearm licence to possess or use a firearm. Licence holders must demonstrate a "genuine reason" (which does not include self-defence) for holding a firearm licence and must not be a "prohibited person". All firearms must be registered by serial number to the owner, who must also hold a firearms licence.

The NRA seems so powerful there never seems to be any will to change anythng in the USA.

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Leeanna

Read the Washington Post

BarbieLee's picture

Not exactly an unbiased news
Would you believe the national transportation department?

20,726 https://www.thetrace.org/2021/12/gun-violence-data-stats-2021/
The number of gun deaths, excluding suicides, in 2021. Updated May 27, 2022
More people in the US die from suicide involving a firearm than homicides or accidents. These people are going to off themselves no matter the tool. But fudging the numbers anyone can make the statistics whatever they wish. NRA crucified the Washington Post for their blatant adding and subtracting data to fit the narrative If I remember the story right they also double counted the mass murders. They aren't the only MSM to have an agenda when they publish a story.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, a division of the Department of Transportation, estimates 42,915 people died in motor vehicle traffic crashes in 2021

Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, that guns are used 16 to 100 times more often to protect life than to take life.

Nearly 90% of police agree that mass shootings would be 'reduced' or 'avoided altogether' by the presence of legally armed citizens:

Susanna Gretta Hupp testifies before congress the high price of gun control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRLNiqOQ14w

Hugs Leeanna
Barb
Life is a gift, don't waste it.

Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl

When you think about it,

leeanna19's picture

When you think about it,

"Nearly 90% of police agree that mass shootings would be 'reduced' or 'avoided altogether' by the presence of legally armed citizens:"
that almost means because someone at sometime may start shooting, that everyone should have a gun to protect themselves.

But if everyone had a gun, there is more chance of someone shooting someone else. Therefore the safest situation would be if no one had a gun.

So the USA would be a lot safer with no guns, but we all know that will never happen. If some people had death rays, you would all need death rays to protect yourselves.

This is from Jim Jefferies Gun Control stand up rountine.

In Australia, we had the biggest massacre on Earth, and the Australian government went, “That’s it! No more guns!” And we all went, “Yeah, all right, then. That seems fair enough, really.” Now, in America, you had the Sandy Hook massacre where little, tiny children died, and your government went, “Maybe… we’ll get rid of the big guns?” And 50% of you went, “Fuck you! Don’t take my guns!” So, here’s where it gets confusing, right?

Now, as I said, I am all for your Second Amendment rights. I think you should be able to have guns. It’s in your constitution. What I am not for is bullshit arguments and lies. There is one argument and one argument alone for having a gun, and this is the argument… “Fuck off. I like guns.” It’s not the best argument, but it’s all you’ve got. And there’s nothing wrong with it. There’s nothing wrong with saying, “I like something. Don’t take it away from me.” But don’t give me this other bullshit. The main one is, “I need it for protection. I need to protect me. I need to protect my family.”
Really? Is that why they’re called “assault rifles”? Is it? I’ve never heard of these fucking “protection rifles” you speak of. Protection? What the fuck are you talking about? You have a gun in your house, you’re 80% more likely to use that gun on yourself, than to shoot someone else. And people think, “Well, that’d never happen to me.” You don’t know that, because you know what?

Protection. I had a break-in in Manchester, England, where I was tied up, I had my head cut. They threatened to rape my girlfriend. They came through the window with a machete and a hammer, and Americans always go, “Well, imagine if you had a gun.” And I’m like, “All right. I was naked at the time. I wasn’t wearing my holster. I wasn’t staring at the window waiting for *&^% with machetes to come through.” What world do you live in where you’re constantly fucking ready? You have guns ’cause you like guns! That’s why you go to gun conventions! That’s why you read gun magazines! None of you give a shit about home security. None of you go to home security conventions. None of you read Padlock Monthly. None of you have a Facebook picture of you behind a secure door going, “Fucking yeah!” Like you’re going to be ready if someone comes into your house. You have it at all fucking times. By the way, most people who are breaking into your house just want your fucking TV! You think that people are coming to murder your family? How many fucking enemies do you have? Jeez, you think a lot of yourself if you think everyone’s coming to murder you. See, if you have it readily available, it becomes unsafe. You have it in your bedside table, one of your kids picks it up, thinks it’s a toy, shoots another one of your kids. Happens every fucking day, but people go, “That’d never happen in my house ’cause I’m a responsible gun owner. I keep my guns locked in a safe.” Then they’re no fucking protection! Someone comes into the house, you’re like, “Wait there, fuck-face! Oh! You’ve come to the wrong house here, buddy boy. I tell you what. I’m gonna fuck you up! Okay. Is it 32 to the left or 32 to the right? Your mother’s birthday? Why the fuck would I know your fucking mother’s birthday? Maybe if you didn’t leave the window open [In whining voice] ‘because it’s too hot in here,’ we wouldn’t be getting fucking murdered, right?”

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Leeanna

Just stop.

0.25tspgirl's picture

A well regulated militia is not the same as an unaffiliated individual. A member of a “militia” styled organization that is not regulated also does not count. Military grade weapons in the late 1700’s are not the same as todays semi and fully automatic weapons. Mass shooters are not rebelling against federal tyranny. We need to find a way to keep the means of mass murder out of the hands of people who would commit such an atrocity. There in lies the problem. Charlton Heston prepped the NRA for Wayne Pierre who created Loren “bang bang” Bobert who uses fear to gain and keep power and wealth. As long as exaggeration and fear mongering provide a path to power and wealth we will not be able to rationally work to solve the mass shooter problem.
And Barbie, you missed the statistic about use of a person’s own gun used to kill them in your citations of beneficial gun use.

BAK 0.25tspgirl

That is the probelm right

leeanna19's picture

That is the probelm right there. Too easy to buy gun.

In 1775 people had muskets. Loading a musket allows for "cooling down" time.

I have been in a "white hot rage" before. I'm sure if I had a gun I would have shot someone. Human nature.

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Leeanna

Interestingly enough, people

Interestingly enough, people in white hot rages can't shoot. It's cold anger than lets people shoot, and women are better at that than men.

White hot rage is when your adrenaline is pumping like crazy, and you lose fine motor control. That's fine for things like fists or clubs, but it's terrible for anything that requires your fingers, such as ammunition, triggers, and safeties.

No, the 2nd Amendment didn't apply to 'muzzle loaders'. That's an argument only brought up by people who refuse to pay attention that until the 1920's, nobody ever questioned that it was about the right of individuals to own the guns. If you don't want guns, push your federal representatives to put forth an additional amendment. That's the ONLY Constitutional way to block it.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Just stop.

0.25tspgirl's picture

A well regulated militia is not the same as an unaffiliated individual. A member of a “militia” styled organization that is not regulated also does not count. Military grade weapons in the late 1700’s are not the same as todays semi and fully automatic weapons. Mass shooters are not rebelling against federal tyranny. We need to find a way to keep the means of mass murder out of the hands of people who would commit such an atrocity. There in lies the problem. Charlton Heston prepped the NRA for Wayne Pierre who created Loren “bang bang” Bobert who uses fear to gain and keep power and wealth. As long as exaggeration and fear mongering provide a path to power and wealth we will not be able to rationally work to solve the mass shooter problem.
And Barbie, you missed the statistic about use of a person’s own gun used to kill them in your citations of beneficial gun use.

BAK 0.25tspgirl

It's because someone who is

It's because someone who is determined to kill themselves uses what they believe will be effective. 'suicide by firearm' statistics should never be used in a firearms deaths statistic (for obvious reasons. They're misinterpreted). They should only be listed under suicide statistics by method.

Anyone who thinks banning firearms will lower suicides is fooling themselves. We'll just have more power outages from toasters in the bathtub.

It's even more reprehensible that the Ad Council and Brady are attacking military veterans now in their anti-gun cause.

- See my large post for information on the "militia", and your other obvious lack-of-education statements. The only one I didn't cover is the "mass murder" implements. Go look at the Boston Marathon bombing. I'm sure you'll tell me how that was caused by guns in the hands of private individuals.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

I'm not sure why I keep

I'm not sure why I keep seeing the same ignorant arguments all the time, when I've pointed out the huge flaws. I guess that people that are afraid of others having the right to protect themselves (and that's the point, it's built in) are also incapable of reading and thinking.

Let's put this simply.

1) The militia was the "free men" of a town or village who owned their own firearm. In times of war or stress, they could/would get together to practice. It is not, and has never been, "The National Guard". The National Guard is both the military of the state (the government) and the backup military for the federal government. Note that they keep being pulled up and sent with the main military out of the country. That means they are, essentially, federal troops. Not a militia, until they leave the military.

In fact, militia groups that have organized to get together to practice, and even obtain land for the purpose of practicing together, have been repeatedly shut down by the state and federal authorities. So apparently THEY don't believe that there's such a thing as an organized militia as well. Therefore, go back to the original definition.

2) "Assault weapons". This is a made up term created by the mass media, just as erroneous as calling a handgun an 'automatic'. To make a rifle an assault weapon, you add a bipod mount and a heat baffle. Suddenly, it's now an assault weapon and unnecessary for someone to own. AR-15, M16, M1 Garand, M1 Carbine, M14 (M1A). These are all semi-automatic rifles, and they could all be called "assault weapons".
Note: A carbine, essentially, is a lighter weight rifle. Look at a picture of an M1 Carbine vs an M1 Garand. The M1 Garand was a .30-06 caliber round (7.62x63 for those unfamiliar with calibers). That's a reasonably standard hunting round. My mother grew up with .30-30 and/or .30-06 owned by every family in the area. If you know a hunter, they own an 'assault rifle', in media parlance. They're also not automatic. Fully automatic weapons have been enormously restricted for private ownership in the US since the 1920's. You -can- buy them, but there's a license fee, additional checks, additional requirements for storage (Unless locked up at home, you can't let it more than something like 10 feet from you, even taking it to the bathroom with you at a range), and so forth. They're also almost all very old, like Tommy guns.) Automatic weapons are also stupid. They're only useful in a crowded elevator.

3) The Second Amendment. I'm now seeing people in other countries screaming for the same stuff that people in the US do. That is, laws and restrictions. Despite what people claim, the Second Amendment has NOTHING to do with muzzle loaders. If that were the case, by 1870, you'd have found that nobody could own a gun other than the military. It was accepted that _all_ personal weapons were covered. This was not a problem until the 1920's - the growth of the Federal bureaucracy and enforcement branches. Suddenly, they realized that the weapons were intended for use against THEM. This was, in fact, by design.

There is only ONE way to change the Constitution. That is, to pass a Constitutional Amendment, modifying it. The Second Amendment is very clear, and explained clearly through a set of documents written at the time by the traitors Hamilton and Adams. (I call them that because they violated what they were told to do by the States in creating the Constitution rather than modifying the Articles of Confederation. ) If you don't know anything about the US, download and read that set of papers. So, the 2nd Amendment states that the "right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." People keep pointing to the first part, the need for a militia. They ignore the second part, which is AFTER a comma, that states "the people". Not "the people in a militia", not "the people in the military". Just "The people" - this was argued in D.C. vs Heller, and was agreed that "people" meant "people". Not just who the _government_ wants to be people.

Using this statement, -any- gun laws are infringements. People argue that they couldn't mean high grade weapons, but again, that's violating the written (and unwritten) intent of the amendment. These were people that lived through overthrowing their government once, and they wanted to be able to do it again.

For those who keep arguing and arguing about it - the founding fathers, as they were called, plus the authors of the Constitution, were alive for decades past the Revolution. They saw the development of firearms happening. (flintlock to caplock, multi-barreled guns). The only things that were fought out in the courts were that crew served weapons (cannons) were NOT covered under the 2nd amendment, and could not be in private hands on land. (A group salvaged cannon from a sunken warship to use for their town, and they were confiscated). Enacting laws to restrict the 2nd Amendment are -treason-. It's the same as if they pass laws banning Baptists from going to church. It is a direct violation of the Constitution.

You CAN enact additional laws, and many of them would make sense, because they don't directly interfere with 'keep and bear'. 1) Require all people to take a gun safety course. This doesn't involve learning how to shoot, it's learning how to be safe around a gun. That is, how do you handle it, unload it, storage, etc. As a previous poster mentioned, she went and bought a gun WITHOUT KNOWING ANYTHING ABOUT IT. (of course, she then blamed that on the gun) 2) Require that all law enforcement branches provide basic gun training at publicly accessible ranges, for a reasonable sum. (I don't expect them to provide free training. Ammunition is expensive, and people wanting to learn how to shoot should pay for themselves. This is the largest restriction out there for gun ownership - the cost of actual shooting. Firing 500 rounds through one of my guns would triple the cost of buying the gun itself)

Right now, people actually denigrate those looking to learn. I push this constantly to those people I know, even ones that hate guns, and never want to own one. Learn how they work, and not only do you become less afraid of them, you'll now know what to do if your kid comes across one, or you come across one, or you're confronted by one.

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Now, back to those 'more people killed by firearms than cars' - That's untrue. I pulled the same federal data on automobile deaths that was used by people for firearms deaths. 2.1 million vs 1.5 million, with _more than half_ of those firearms deaths being suicide according to the feds. Those shouldn't be included under firearms deaths, because they are suicide, and what was used isn't that important. If they didn't have a gun, they'd have used some other method, just probably less messy. So, now we're at 750,000 firearms deaths to 2,100,000 automobile deaths. (you could probably take a few thousand out for suicide by car) As there have always been more firearms than cars, we're not even in the same ballpark in 'deaths per device'.

I will admit that something is weird right now. If you look at the 'mass deaths' (which to the media is at least two people injured, and it has to be from firearms), they've all ramped up since the election of Joe Biden. Do I know why? No. All I know is that prior to that time, they were spread out in time. Not clustered together. It could be someone playing on the mentally ill to drive an agenda, it could be stress from the economy, it could be aliens beaming mental control rays from Venus.

Mental health. Do you REALLY think that the 'no-guns' people care about mental health? If anything, they want more and more things to happen to push their own agenda. They're not interested in helping anyone but themselves and their personal fears of what will happen to their power. It's the same with the "no-nukes" people, which are often the same people that push wind and solar power. They aren't interested in real solutions, they want to show their power. If they were interested in health, they'd put together relatively inexpensive programs to at least try to identify those with issues. Use Federal owned buildings already here, and set up the equivalent of AA meetings with sociologists, psychologists, and psychiatrists.

Right now, a lot of people are under a lot of stress, and have been since the economy tanked. Housing prices and everything else rising, and businesses not having as lucrative jobs available as before. Does that contribute? Sure. Do I think there needs to be something to be done? Yes, and the number one thing that could be done is the media stop fear mongering, and start putting forth more information on how to help people, and the good things happening, rather than on the "If it bleeds, it leads". We're becoming more and more an insulated society - that is, we don't interact with people. Go home, order from online services for everything from groceries to clothing, watch the TV, and refuse to go outside. I go outside and talk to my neighbor regularly, even though I think he's a bit nuts. Born-again Christian, but at least he walks the walk, and not just talking the talk. The neighbor on the other side? I've only seen her a handful of times, when she puts out the trash, or checks her mail. That's it. She doesn't go outside to do lawn maintenance - she hires a service. She doesn't do _anything_ outside at all. Other people in the neighborhood are the same - they stay inside all day.

There ARE no fast solutions! There are simple solutions, but the ones people keep trying to use are BAD. As can be seen by the shooting in Japan, you could confiscate every firearm in the country, and they can still be produced. Bans don't work.

I'll repeat this.

Bans don't work. Prohibition actually raised crime rates and alcoholism rates. The War On Drugs, enacted immediately after Prohibition ended to keep those bureaucrats and enforcement people in jobs, has done nothing but cause price supports for criminals in other countries. You could say that we (The US and Canada) created the drug cartels and kept them fed. It's been shown time and time again that bans don't work, so people always yell 'Have a harsher ban!'. Yeah. Right. Banning firearms in the UK worked very well for the battles between the IRA and the British government, didn't it?

Criminals don't care about the law. In fact, that mindset is REQUIRED for the position. Making more people criminals doesn't change anything.

Teach gun safety. Teach people what to do in emergencies (they've even stopped teaching 'what to do in a tornado' in school) For firearms, "Run away in all directions" is a good start. Teach people how to spot someone that they should talk to to try to find out if they need help. Teach people how to get help. Teach people how TO help. Stop blaming everyone else for troubles, and look at yourself and how you can help (or be helped) locally. Note that these can apply to all countries.

Education, not bans.

(Side note: Most of the people fighting in the Ukraine are not part of the military. They're regular residents and citizens that took up arms to defend themselves from the invasion. Think about that, please.)


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Point of order

Maddy Bell's picture

Most if not all the IRA firearms were sourced, supplied and paid for by US citizens. Without external sources they would not have had the arsenal that they had.

You have an agenda but BC is not the place for it. Full stop.


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