Oh, Katia what shall I do with you?

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Gwendolyn's Muse, "Khadijah" is really confused with me right now, wondering just what I am up too. Those who have been following "Lt Katia in Afganistan" may have perhaps felt that she would end up a Nigab'd once warrior living in seclusion in the home of her love intrest. And to be frank, I had been thinking that she might too.

Well, with the recent events surrounding the death of that mad man Bin Ladin, I have reached the conclusion that I can no longer in good conscience include anything about Islam in my stories. The topper for me was the airing of an interview with a cleric in Pakistan where he supported Bin Ladin unreservedly, and then to see his thousands of followers just did it for me. I know hundreds of Sisters who say they are, and seem to be absolutely peaceful, but I have come to the conclusion if it came to a fight, I would not be on the Muslim side. This is big and hurtful to me.

So, this leaves me at somewhat of a loss about how to finish the story, and now it will be an even bigger surprise than I had originally planned.

God is still central to my life and I won't say anything about that save to say that I am now an Investigator.

Hopefully, Katia, the conclusion will be up in the next few weeks.

Gwendolyn

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Dear Confused

I am not Muslim but I can understand your confusion with the way the fanatics think.I know I am sticking my neck out here but some of the people who follow the party that has a ElePhant as it symbal also have that kind if a fanatics following about W .I think the way Obama handled this dirty matter was so much neater than the Iraq way of getting rid of their dictator. I HOPE NOT TO START A POLITICAL WAR WITH THIS COMMENT JUST 1 MANS OPINION ---HUGS RICHIE2
P.S. DON'T STAR ANOTHER WAR ON THIS BLOG THANKS

God is Good. How We Honor Him is Flawed

Never confused the belief in God with the way various religions chose to honor Him and represent His 'words.' God is found in the heart of those who believe, who have faith that there is something greater then them, not in a book written by men.

In the end of the movie 'Angels and Demons', one of the characters points out that man and Mankind is flawed, and because they are the religions they found are flawed. If you can accept this premise and approach organized religions with caution, never forgetting that God is above the pettiness of mankind, you will be fine.

Nancy Cole

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Religion

Many religions and their sects have had problems with extremism at one time or another.
1) To me it would seem to be best to read the founding books and judge if they are being lived up to.
2) Are the tenets of the region in line with what your own heart feel is true?
3) If there is a division of thought in your religion, are you supporting what you feel is correct.

4) Now the hard part, question your religion, why does it exist and why does the denomination or sect you are a member of exist.

5) and of course there is the an understanding on my part at least that one may change the religion they follow, though this is contrary to some of these religions.

I will not say on this format where I stand on these questions, but looking for the answers to the above sure leads to some interesting reading.

Perhaps...if you can and when you're ready...

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...since our characters seem so often to be like family or children or even alter-egos, you might have Katia experience the same crisis of faith as you are experiencing. The exercise of having her exam her faith might help you resolve the questions in your own heart; using her as an Investigator, as you put it so well?


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I have followed your conversion

with a profound sense of dismay - Gwendolyn.

I have never said much to you, out of respect for anything that might
bring you a measure of peace. I did, not because of you but for other
reasons, spend several weeks reading about Islam. To educate myself.

Now I find much that I can not respect in many religions, and I have to
say that Islam is near the bottom of the list. Like many before me, I
consider it to be more of a political system, than a religion anyway, because
the central tenet there in, after personal faith and obligations, is not
to spread Islam. It is to spread the control of Islam. It is to enforce
control over all peoples, allowing only those with demo status to live, if
they pay taxes and adhere to the law of Islam. Anyone else, well Islam
is better off without them. It is a political system, much more than most
people in our western world really understand.

Or, at least until you run into the problem as the Netherlands did.
Hence the problems when they fond out that their immigrant and indigenous
Islamic population wanted to supersede the laws of the Netherlands with
sharia law. France, and England are not far behind them either.

There is also, an even more profound issue here.

I think that the fundamental problem, as my admittedly limited knowledge
will allow is this. A Muslim, just as with anyone else, must decide every
moment of every day how he may best serve God. But Islam has a catch. The
believer can not be allowed to make such decisions, because the path to god
was revealed by the Muhammad. As such he is the standard by which all actions
must be judged. The Believer can not decide in faith to take, or eschew any
given action, because if it is in contest with the actions of Muhammad, it is
wrong. It is not just a fault, it is a sin.

Thus, when a Muslim feels that some of the things that are done in the name
of Islam, beheading or terrorist attacks against non-believers, etc., are are
really not allowed in a peaceful religion, he is wrong. Muhammad cut off peoples
heads, for no other reason than they were in his eyes infidels. It's in the
book, and the standard is, if Muhammad did it, that is what is correct, and faithful.
Muslims who don't believe that, seem to my mind at least, to be good and decent
people. However, they don't seem to actually be Muslims.

Sadly, what I found to be most disturbing were a series of lies that I was told.
You yourself, Gwendolyn, might remember that I wanted you to ask your Imam a question
about Houri. For those who don't know, these are black-eye'd beauties, Nymphs who
were never earthly women, who serve and make life 'entertaining' for the martyrs who
go to heaven. Your Imam, said that he had never heard of them. I can only see the
equivalent as an automobile mechanic who has never heard of a steering wheel. To my
mind, there is only one conclusion there.

Do you remember that? I hope so.

It's the same one you make when an Imam goes on the Today show, and touts that suicide
bombers are prohibited under Islamic law, when there are any number of clarifications
stating that the death of the Bomber, is incidental to the killing of the non-believers,
for which the martyr instantly is rewarded. There are many examples, but in the end
the book says that a believer can not befriend or make piece with an infidel. That if
pressed for military necessity, they may lie, and create a false piece, but only until
they are capable of striking once more. This is the basis that many historians now use
to string the history of Islam together, in that when they could be the aggressor, they
were.

That's what the book says.

I'm sorry for you Gwen, because several times when I asked questions, there were things
in your responses that indicated to me that you had not heard much of what is in the book.
It made me sad, that in Islam, only one who can quote the Qur'an, in the original Arabic,
may be allowed into heaven. (I'm honestly not sure if someone who is illiterate in Arabic,
but who Martyr's himself for the cause, goes or not. It's a question I get no rational
answer to from the Imam at the Mosque near me, no matter how respectfully I ask.)

I've followed your posts for many years, and I know you are searching for something.
I can only hope you will find it, soon if possible, but find it never-the-less. Even if,
as a woman, you can find it in the teachings of The Prophet, Alla's blessings and praise
be upon him... for whatever good that might do.

Hang in there, Gwen. I'm pulling for Ya.

Sarah Lynn

Thank you for feeling my dismay and confusion

Needless to say, after how I was treated after I was outed, I won't be going back to my old denomination. LOL Though, the way I think if I were a genetic female, I would. My religious views are very conservative, but I do not want to be in the conversation about what to do about GBLT folk. Personally, I think we should be in society and not have to face hurtful things. That whole issue should never come up in public. Our religous thoughts should be about God, Jesus Christ, how kind we are to others and that is about it. In far too many churches, those who allow GBLT have to talk about it and make it a focus of attention. Not me.

The church I am Investigating right now probably has almost as many detractors as Islam. However, using my personal set of standards I find them quite agreeable. My status is not a matter for discussion, the sisters and brothers are loving and kind, and I have already found the practices and doctrines to be most agreeable to me. They will allow me to serve, to take the sacrements, and no matter how sensitive my "rejection radar is", I seem to detect no animosity.

Will I be with them in 5 years? I hope so.

Much peace

Gwendolyn

Of course I do.

After all, you've been here for almost five years. I'd say that
not only gives us a little insight, but also also a pretty good
feel for your stick-to-it-ness. At the very least, you know that
we aren't judgmental of Gender. Now bring up something about
politics or punctuation, and all hell is likely to break loose,
but that's probably not a bad thing either. Whatever you
choose, however, or no matter where you look for 'it' next, try
to keep in mind that what you are looking for is probably inside,
and that there is a good chance it was never really missing in
the first place.

Sarah

The problem with religion...

...is when it gets organised.

Like any religion, Islam probably has its share of liberals as well as ultra-conservatives - unfortunately, it tends to be the ultra-conservatives that shout loudest and consequently gain the most air time and column inches.

As for my original statement, take the world's biggest religion as an example. As far as I'm aware (it's been a while since I read the four quasi-biographies of his life) he spent the majority of his ministry roaming around small provincial towns, preaching a message of tolerance and respect (he did tend to attract and befriend societal outcasts) as well as criticising the over-zealous interpretation of religious laws (getting into trouble with the religious hierarchy in the process).

However, although "everybody's welcome" is a laudable concept, it does not help sell a religion, and acts of altruism alone (as suggested by the founder) do not sufficiently distinguish the new religion from the competition. So successive leaders started imposing rules and regulations, slowly turning it from an inclusive religion to an exclusive one. Some people like the exclusivity concept, abiding by strict set of rules of membership, and trying to persuade 'deviants' to toe the line (by force, if need be). Others prefer a more enlightened, liberal view. The branch headquartered in Rome has tried to keep the two factions together by following a broadly conservative line and frowning on any dissent. The branch headquartered in Canterbury has taken an alternative approach, with lots of mediation between the factions before eventually following a more liberal path. Much to the delight of the Rome faction, which quickly set up structures to accommodate those members of the Canterbury faction disaffected by managerial decisions.

As for me? I like the concept of a deity as a scientist - set up the experiment, maybe occasionally tweak it, but generally, for the most part, leave it alone and observe what happens.

 

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I am not muslim

I'm not muslim, but I believe that if there is a war... many muslims will fight against 'radical' muslims.

Muslim is a faith that encompasses many socities and depending on your interpretation...fanatics.

The christian faith has from time to time both been appalled and been the main cheering mob for many fanatics of the ages.
Some of these fanatics have forced "nonfanatics" to fight others of their own faith.

Do not stop being Muslim just because a hopefully smallish group of your faith is making the rest look bad.

I'm not muslim... and I'm not christian or any other religion either... nor am I of military service age. I would however participate in any homeguard in defense of my nation and lifestyle against those who would oppose me. I would also expect and demand that people of all faiths would stand by me or get the hell on the other side of the firing line so I can shoot their asses!

One thing that bothers me about 'terrorists' is they successfully hide in "the light of day" why aren't their neighbours turning these pricks in?

my my ain't I all sweetness and love.

Dayna.

This is yet another reason why...

This is yet another reason why I stress the importance of faith over religion. When it is suggested to me that I must act or feel a particular way based on any external authority, I become highly suspect.

I believe in having a personal relationship with God. As such, I need not rely on others for opinions or judgments of others to rule my behavior.

I am a Christian. There are those who call themselves Christian who judge, condemn others and tell us what God hates.

My faith says that God is love. Within that context it is a bit difficult to say, 'Love hates ___.' If I have a question, I ask God. I will also ask others, but I let my faith decide whether their answers are consistent with God's.

There have been millions killed as a result of so-called Christian love. Yet, I cannot let the sins of others diminish the center of my personal relationship with God.

Even as a Christian, I am open to any who are called to faith, regardless of what name they use for God. In Twelve Step programs one of the first requirements is to accept a 'higher power'. They don't care if the higher power is a door knob, so long as the individual acknowledges a power and authority greater than themselves.

So, hang on to what is true and slough off the false. Be true to yourself and your God, and ignore those who pervert things to their own ends.

And remember that it is the periods of doubt that make our faith stronger.

Fondly,

Janet

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They are said to kill you.

I am being relatively quiet about it because there are certain Muslims who would say I should die. At the very least, I would likely lose all my Muslim friends. It is better that I just fade away.

Gwen

Some countries in the '10/40

Some countries in the '10/40 Window' are Islamic nations that have banned conversion for any Muslim to another religion. Some of the countries punish conversion by death. And Jews for Jesus isn't a denomination, it's a parareligious organization that consists of 'former' Jews who have converted. Neither would be either practical or even available options for Gwen's character. Just having Katia question her faith, no matter what the outcome, seems the most realistic, and actually reflects Gwen's heart as the author and 'parent' of Katia.


Happy to know you. Belle

Some things I will not forget

It has been an extremely interesting pilgrimage, and some of the things I learned in Islam will continue. As a Fundi, I feared God and had no real relationship with him. As a Muslim, I think I finally made a connection and learned that God is not the angry, fire breather that I had learned, but patient,kind, forgiving, ever returning, merciful and slow to anger. I want to keep that view of him. Before my conversion, I'd been into wearing mini skirts and tank tops and though I looked to be in my 30's, they were a bit much. As a Muslimah, I'd grown accustomed to floor length skirts loose tops, head covering and sometimes even face covering. I learned much about modesty, gentleness, goodness, and love.

And so now, in my first week as a believer in Jesus Christ once again, I have been made to face forgiving those who cast me out, shunned me, and generally made life miserable. It seems strange that I could be allowed to share heaven with such, but now I know it is not for me to determine, and I will obey God in what he decides.

Much peace

Gwendolyn