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Is it possible to take both HE and Autoshop as electives in a US High School?
And on the same topic - is it possible to do whole the ROTC course in two (final) years of High School?
Fiction that follows so-called reality.
ROTC is pretty much the same for all schools--- http://www.usarmyjrotc.com/jrotc-program/jrotc-program-infor... [back at my high school it was Air Force JROTC]---but the curriculum for schools will vary some because it is not under total Federal control.
Hugs, Fran
So it looks that not ...
Thank you for the pointer!
It might be that you had it
It might be that you had it right but wrong target- ROTC in college is different than JROTC in high school and it is possible to do it in two years- but you are fully committed to your affiliated branch if you sign up for it. There is not turning back, if you take it you are theirs for two years as an ROTC candidate and once you graduate you have to fulfill your military obligation as a commissioned officer.
That is unless they changed it since I looked into joining in 2003.
I'm told STFU more times in a day than most people get told in a lifetime
JROTC not ROTC
Thank you putting me back on the straight and narrow - I had the High School thing in mind!
re home economics and "industrial education"
In Canada, you can choose both for your electives, as long as you don't want any other elective.
( no art, music, drama, computer science. )
high school starting grade gets 2 electives, the rest of the schedule is required courses. ( english, a math, social studies, physical education, basic science*, french. )
* after grade 9 / freshmen you can change the science to chemistry or biology, but the rest are required courses until graduation.
autoshop is an elective option only for the last 2 years of schooling. Industrial Education is metal working, wood working and basic electrical knowledge.
I was refused access to Home Ec in my jr high, forced into taking the industrial education course.
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My niece has to actually do
In my state it varies from school district to school district and even from high school to high school within a district. My niece has to actually do that exact thing as part of her specialized education curriculum. It isn't a normal situation though, it's a simple way of getting the kids who need specialized help as part of their specialized education plan(her case- social issues) to find something they may be better in than the general education. It's two weeks at each of the vocational training courses, after each cycle they move on to the next field of study.
It really depends on how the schools are set up and how much they emphasize the core subjects(math, science, history, languages, literature/writing). Mine was heavy emphasis on them but the last two years were setup years where you could specialize in computers, finance, banking, or computer drafting and mapping. Home ec wasn't useful to student compared with computers, banking, and finance.
I'm told STFU more times in a day than most people get told in a lifetime
Home Ec and Automech in HS
Not only possible but I did. Auto Mechanics was in my Junior year, Home Economics was in my Senior year.
Probably so I wouldn't get grease in my cakes and on the clothes I sewed? Or was so I wouldn't get flour and baking soda into the crankcase?
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Have fun with life, it's too short to take it seriously
Barb
Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl
I was told 'Boys do do Cookery. Girls don't do Metalwork'
when I enquired about doing it at School circa 1966 (that long ago????). I took metalwork and Engineering drawing but I did go through the selectino process to be trained as a chef in the British Army. I love cooking and use it as a relaxer after all my 'engineering and computer stuff' that earned me a living.
I've just made myself a chilie for tonight but it is a fact that most top chefs are men. Methinks it is time for a 'T' girl to get a Michellein Star (or three) but running a top kitchen seens to be more akin to a Sergeant-Majors job than a creative chef. You have to be both I guess.
you may be confusing things again
Home economics is a junior high course, just like woodworking. Although in highschool you can take carpentry which is different.
High school is where auto mechanics comes in. I say auto mechanics because that is what it really is.
In my highschool it was called Power Mechanics.
Btw for further knowledge. In junior high woodworking was half the year and was basically making whatever the teacher felt you should make. the other half was home economics and half the class as cooking the other sewing.
Carpentry in hs is learning how joints go together. Working with much more dangerous tools. How to build houses more complicated and dedicated stuff like that.
Auto Mechanics is a major course, Carpentry is a Major course, Cook(yes another that you can take in hs) is a major course. You could only have one major.
Gen shop was not offered when I went to school. That one covered a lot of different metal working stuff.
Each highschool has slightly different names for each course and/or slang for said course.
Confused ...
So, Home Economics comes before Auto Mechanics?
Junior High is what - years 7-9?
Difference
Every school system is different. Most of the assertions here do not match the way things were in my school system. What courses are offered when and who may take them is very much under local control. Nothing is hard and fast across all systems.
"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin
Difference
So, if I set a fic "somewhere in the USA" and have the protagonist take both HE and Autoshop in years 11 and 12 than it would not be outrageously implausible?
That's exactly it, and it can
That's exactly it, and it can be the same year if the school uses single semester courses for electives like those kind of courses, like September to January auto shop and January through June Home Ec.
The schools aren't set in stone, you can do whatever you like with your school in a story.
I'm told STFU more times in a day than most people get told in a lifetime
My Brothers..
Were taking cooking and woodshop courses at the same time.
It happens quite often.
When I graduated in the mid '80s the only required course Senior year (grade 12) was Physical Education, and that's because Illinois is/was the only state that required 4 years of it in high school. That's assuming you passed all the required classes previously.
I didn't think Home Ec is taught much anymore so I searched
This is an interesting synopsis http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/29/home-ec-classes_n_5...
Here is the search url https://www.google.com/search?q=do+schools+still+teach+home+...
I took Homoerotic Shop
It was a very progressive high school...
And remember...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifLqzLEB3E0
lol
I think I remember the instructor. :)
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
We called that Gym.
We called that Gym.
It varies from year to year and district to district
For my school district (small forestry products town) in the mid 70s girls weren't allowed to take IE and boys weren't allowed to take HE.
However there was a course called Community Food Service 9 which was supposed to prepare boys for jobs in the kitchens. We learned basically how to follow a recipe. We cooked, baked, did menu planning and budgeting.
I took this and IE. IE included metal working, carpentry/cabinet making, and mechanical drawing. I loved the mechanical drawing and considered it to be my ideal career until I discovered computers.
Also IE and HE were four year courses (you took it for one semester each year). Girls were REQUIRED to take it for 3 years... Boys for 1 although most opted to take it every year because it was considered basket weaving 101 as we used to call it in college [minor effort and no studying/homework].
Dayna.
Sixties California Desert
Rather progressive schools in small towns. Anyone could take any of the "introductory life skill" classes which were all 9 week courses. Advanced classes were only open if you did good in the introductory ones. Mechanical drawing, cooking, sewing, home budgeting, woodshop, electric shop, metal shop, auto repair, baking and i think a couple of others. The bakery class was popular since they often made pizzas for sale in the snack bar. :)
There were not many mixed classes but a few.
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
JROTC
I will call myself an expert on this one!
high school JROTC is WAY! different than college ROTC!
in high school its just a class and has no real grad date or time frame, all grades and ages are in the same class. 1st year all the way to 4th year. the only difference is rank shown on uniform and leadership!
then after grad in high-school one year of JROTC class==== 1 year of enlistment in REAL service AFTER 'basic' is done IN the military.
and if your JROTC program is the same? army for army --navy for navy? Then you gain 1 year per JROTC year done in HS, as an enlisted person plus pay and rank! Just as if you served in the sworn service as a kid!
so you can do a navy JROTC program 3 years? join the USMC and at the end of 'basic' your a lance corporal with the pay and everyone else a private! 2 full jumps in rank and pay for 3 years and that goes to retirement DATES TOO!
college is a full format program that does LOTS more!
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I think I'd better throw some
I think I'd better throw some cold water in here.
Auto Shop, much like 4H, are dying programs in most high schools/junior highs. The high school I went to, having been built in the late 30's in a rural area, had, even in the late 80's and early 90's, an ag program, wood shop (at the junior high), metal shop (at the high school), auto shop, and home ec. Home ec was both a high school AND a junior high program. They had different focuses. Most schools now don't have _any_ shops. Even ones that used to have them shut them down, with the attitude that "If they want to learn that, they'll go to a trade school."
Personally, I'd like to see a required course that combined basic home economics with what you could call 'home maintenance'. That is, a full two semester course that taught you how to hem your own pants, cook basic meals, balance a checkbook, understand withholding, mortgages, and insurance, and then went on to the second half. The second half would be how to do automobile maintenance, how to do basic plumbing, electrical, painting and woodwork. (find a stud to put a nail in to hold a picture firmly, etc). I think that most people under the age of 30, now, have no clue how to prime before painting (or paint at all), check their own automobile fluids, or unblock a sink. I've had to help a few people trying to figure out what to do to unclog a sink/bath at the big box home improvement stores. I mean, a snake is NOT a difficult instrument. Even changing a toilet (unless the moron original installer cemented it in place) should be a one hour job for anyone. (It took me a week, but I had to drill out rotten concrete, let it dry, pack chicken wire into the hole, fill with high pressure concrete, let it dry, drill new mounting holes for the closet ring extension because the original drain pipe was an inch below the floor level, mount the new closet ring with anchors, and then put the toilet in, level, then caulk)
Guess how many kids have a clue that you can replace the wire on a lamp? What the button on the outlet in the bathroom is for?
It's not rocket surgery - but our society seems to have lost the Renaissance Man mentality, where the average person could do almost everything around the home.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
Not all schools have auto mechanics..
Liability issues has caused many school districts to drop classic shop classes. Sure they have classes like drafting- now called CAD. but, the wood and metal shops are gone. Some high schools only have cooking and no sewing.
To your original question: When I went to school (~1975), I knew several people who took both. However, that limited them from taking advanced math, science, or other electives like art.
More recently, my kids' high school required all students to take "Foods". Basically, cooking with instruction to get a "Food Handling Certificate." The certificate is a county requirement. It is needed to work in the the local soup-kitchens and restaurants.
Thank you
Thank you all for broadening my knowledge :)
No Educational Standards
The truth of the matter is that the United States has no national educational standards. While this and that program has been enacted from time to time in order to qualify for federal aid to schools, there are so many exceptions to everything and nothing is comprehensive.
Schools in the U.S. are largely funded from local property taxes, and controlled by local elected school boards. States have much more influence on their localities than the Feds do.
It's politics, impure and simple. To some extent, we're still fighting the Civil War. Only now, it's over things like science, evolution, human rights, and of course, God. Southern Senators resist imposing modernity, rationality, and knowledge on their constituents, so we can't have standards. Localities resist funding schools, and boards have to choose where to spend money, so arts and music classes disappear long before athletics programs do.
It's ridiculous.
But, for those who want to go to college, they need to pass the College Board tests, so there is that.
Please, don't just pigeonhole
Please, don't just pigeonhole all Southern Senators, as you put it. Illinois and other northern states have just as many pigheaded idiots. Look at Portland - they have a law that yanks your driver's license if you've just been -arrested- for something involving alcohol. (like if you're pushing your bike home.) Even if you don't get charged, they'll _still_ take your license away. Violation of due process, anyone? (I believe it's portland, I'd have to look it up again to be positive. It's NW, Oregon/Washington).
Let's not leave out the nuts in California.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.