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Scottish musician and producer, Sophie, has died following an accident in Athens, according to the Guardian see link below. It's always a tragedy when someone so young dies and at age 34, would have expected to have many more years to live.
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/jan/30/sophie-acclaim...
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Sad to find out about her like this...
As I get older, more and more I find out about musicians and/or bands after they've been around for years or after they're gone (partly because my subscription to Rolling Stone expired around 1992...) but the video linked in the article definitely has me intrigued. Not sure if I like it, but it's not some bland forgettable pop tune, and that's usually a plus for me.
A lot of my favorite bands over the years seem to have come out of Glasgow; from Strawberry Switchblade and Jesus + Mary Chain thru Belle & Sebastian and Franz Ferdinand. So I'm definitely gonna check Sophie's stuff out, and it is awful that she died so suddenly in the prime of her life (Some pithy comment about mortality should go here but I'm all out of pith.)
~hugs, Veronica
And remember...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifLqzLEB3E0
Sophie
I don't see any maleness in her appearance; she must have transitioned young. Sorry about that, minor obsession. As time passes, I suppose more and more Tpeople shown by the media will be early transitioners and appear/ have the form of their proper gender.
Hugs and Bright Blessings,
Renee
I've never heard of her
I've never heard of her before, and doing some quick research, I can see why. She was an 'edge case' supposed DJ and producer, and while nominated for awards, did not necessarily win any. I haven't dug into depth, but it appears that she didn't die in an accident. Accident implies that she couldn't avoid it. In this case, several sources say that she fell after climbing somewhere to view the full moon. (as per her spirituality, apparently) So, she died from inadequate preparation, at the least, and if she'd been imbibing reason impairing substances, I'd call it suicide.
Sorry, I get tired of people trying to blow off personal responsibility by using words such as "a terrible accident". John Denver died of stupidity, for example, yet people keep calling it a tragic accident. (Had his license revoked, flew an experimental aircraft with a known problem, and didn't fill up the fuel tanks. then died trying to switch fuel tanks (best guess) and hit the stick, sending himself into an uncontrollable spin. Suicide)
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
Suicide
is normally regarded as a deliberate action towards a known outcome, the death of the person concerned. Whether or not alcohol or other substances impeded her actions or reasoning, there is no mention of it being intentional so it is therefore an accident unlike my son who deliberately jumped off the parapet of a tunnel in front of a truck meaning for the action to kill him and he was correct, it did.
I'm sorry but I find your attitude a little uncharitable and judgemental accidents happen to all sorts of people, even clever ones.
Angharad
Accident, by general
Accident, by general definition, means unavoidable incident, usually causing misfortune.
Actions taken after deliberately impairing personal judgement are completely avoidable.
It may be disheartening, but it's a matter of degree; they are both personal actions taken by a person leading directly to their death. I also firmly believe that if you cause harm while intoxicated, you should be charged with premeditation for the offense. (I.E. if you kill someone while drunk driving, you should be charged with premeditated murder. Not accidental homicide. Nobody forced you to drink and get behind the wheel.)
We should express sympathy for those around the person in question, but not _for_ the person in question.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
Did ya hear the one about the drunken Chinese poet?
I guess I'm just not that righteous,
feeling all these improper sympathies
+ sadness for deaths you deem undeserving.
My bad! Veronica
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Then there was the famous 8th Century poet (and all around party animal) Li Bai,
who legend has it died while taking a late night drunken sail in his little boat
on the Yangtze River; when---overcome by the beauty of the reflection of
the moon in the water---he leaned over to kiss it, fell in and drowned...
And remember...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifLqzLEB3E0
"Accident implies that she
"Accident implies that she couldn't avoid it." No, it doesn't.
Accident, by general definition, means unavoidable incident,...." Again, no, it doesn't.
An accident is something that was unplanned or unintended according to several dictionaries I consulted. Typos are generally considered to be accidental. Could they be avoided? For most people, not in any practical sense.
Your uncharitable view of a situation you have no direct knowledge of is baffling and sad.
Lulu
- Gender is between the ears, sex is between the legs and anywhere else you can get it. - Lulu Martine
By YOUR definition, you say
By YOUR definition, you say that accidents are completely avoidable incidents, That's what you're saying by contradicting me.
Unplanned and unintended has nothing to do with unavoidable. Typos are completely avoidable. They still HAPPEN, but they are avoidable. Most typos happen when people type faster than their muscles can work, and get ahead of themselves - and they don't catch it (or don't bother trying).
In this case, I _did_ more research on the artist's death other than the single article linked to. I read statements attributed to those close to Sophie, I've seen the picture of the building from which she fell - from the roof (or possibly balcony). I've read a bit of back story, and I spent too much time in proximity to people like this in the 90's.
In this case, I've seen two separate reports. One is that she climbed to the roof of the building, and fell into the open space behind the building. The other, supposedly quoting someone from the Athens police, says she slipped and fell from the balcony. Both state she was trying to observe or photograph the moon. In neither case is it logical to be in those places or positions at 2 in the morning. (Meridian point is between 12:50 AM and 1:43 AM, depending on which 'date' the death was classified, based on moonrise/set charts. That's when it's brightest. Death time, I've seen quoted as around 4 AM, and on-site, although she apparently survived the initial fall, but died due to the injuries sustained.)
Was the death a terrible thing? To a number of people close to her, absolutely. It's unlikely to affect me, however. Was it a tragedy? That might be overstating it, but I won't contest that. Was it an "Accident" that was "unintended"? Probably, but the minute a foot rises above solid ground, the law of unintended consequences comes into play, and if you've implicitly agreed to accept responsibility for that. I climb ladders, structures, and random objects that aren't intended to be used as climbing devices on a regular basis, as an IT professional. I've had slips, I've had falls, and I've even gone through ceilings. At no point did I try to claim that I had no responsibility towards them, or that they "just happened". Every one was caused by either my inattention, or failing to fully think through what I was doing. (the through the ceiling was because I wasn't allowed to move insulation thrown about by a contractor. I could have just done so anyway)
Why people keep claiming that I'm uncharitable because I understand REALITY, I don't believe I can understand. I have sympathy for those she left behind. I have NO sympathy for _her_. This is not like the friend I had for 20 years that I lost right at two weeks ago, who died of leukemia. He had no control over that other than the chemo he was going through. This was an assumed healthy adult who made bad choices that led to their death. Which of those two is the more sympathetic character?
Personal Responsibility. It is NOT an obscenity.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
poor judgment and lack of preparation
They contribute to accidents. They don't make them any less an accident. They don't make the loss any less. I think everyone has made a foolish decision or ten by the time they reach my age. The fact that I survived does not make my life any more valuable than those who didn't.
You're really going out of your way
to explain why you don't want to sympathize with her. . My sympathy for her does not diminish you one iota. You have every right to withhold sympathy. But it really is puzzling that you feel compelled to defend that by correcting us. No one is expecting you to feel what isn't there. But arguing that no one else should extend our sympathy for her is really unnecessary.
My sister attempted suicide twice in her teens as a response to sexual abuse by three adults. My late wife was distraught over an argument, and decided to walk home. She was so upset that she became disoriented and she ran into the path of a car. Both my sister's attempts and my wife's death were preventable.
Should i withhold my sympathy from them or the three friends of mine that succeeded in taking their lives; driven to despair over being ostracized for being transgender? Of course these things are preventable. But suicide isn't simple. The pain was too much for Chrissie after being outed and shamed. Tony was an artist whose daily conflict was brilliantly and tragically depicted in many of her paintings. Yes, those she and her wife Keiko and Chrissie left behind need our sympathy. Had they received understanding and acceptance and empathy sooner they'd still be here. Even foolish choices like the girl may have made do not abrogate the need for some to feel as saddened for her as we also do for those she left behind.
I am indeed saddened for your loss, My mother and my sister and four of my aunts succumbed to cancer, andI know too well that your friend's passing had to be so sad; especially in light of the fight they waged. But their death, as tragic and painful as it was, need not be compared to this girl's passing. There is no need to compare - no one is weighing heartache here.
Love, Andrea Lena
Words
"By YOUR definition, you say that accidents are completely avoidable incidents," Nope.
"That's what you're saying by contradicting me." Nope.
You can read what I wrote above, no need to put words in my mouth and then argue with your distortion of what I said.
Lulu
- Gender is between the ears, sex is between the legs and anywhere else you can get it. - Lulu Martine