Banning Books in Texas and Other States

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"Don't join the book burners... Don't be afraid to go in your library and read every book." - Dwight D. Eisenhower

“If all printers were determined not to print anything till they were sure it would offend nobody, there would be very little printed.
" - Benjamin Franklin

“Information is the currency of democracy.” –Thomas Jefferson

"If large numbers of people believe in freedom of speech, there will be freedom of speech, even if the law forbids it. But if public opinion is sluggish, inconvenient minorities will be persecuted, even if laws exist to protect them." -George Orwell

“Books and ideas are the most effective weapons against intolerance and ignorance."
-Lyndon Baines Johnson

"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." - Mark Twain

“Whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation must begin by subduing the freeness of speech.” — Benjamin Franklin

Jill

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Not giving air to all view is the same as burning books

In a America we have the freedom of speech.

But today if you don't conform to the "correct view point" then you are canceled.
What do think of the statements

Build the wall
Trump didn't lose the election
China created this virus in a lab

All have a claim of truth but most of the media said you were a racist if you supported these views.

Free speech allows people to speak their truth and not be banned or worse

Nonsense

If something is proven false but someone who continue to voice their 'truth' without any basis in fact then it should be ignored.

What you are really saying is that one should be believed no matter how delusional they are.

Sorry, life is too short to wade through a bunch of any forum posts clogged by delusional people.

It dilutes the value of the forum usually, leading to pointless bickering.

Not everyone's point of view is valid, once it is disproven then it is time to move on.

Freedom of speech has to deal

Freedom of speech has to deal with what the government can and cannot do, People can react to what they hear as they please.
On objective facts people do not have their truth, there is only the truth. 1 plus 1 equals two always. One cannot say that their truth is 1 plus 1 equals white rabbit.

On top of that

We all know that white rabbits only know how to multiply!

In a America we have the

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In a America we have the freedom of speech.

If we could all say what we want , not matter the consequences, I don't think that s necessarily a good thing. You could say horrible racist anti-gay-trans or whatever things, and not have to deal with the fallout.

In some countries Holocaust denial will land you in prison. There are hundres of films showing what happened in the camps. To deny it is like denying the moon exists. But should being an idiot and a moron land you a prison sentance?

Total freedom to print and say what you like causes nothing but problems. There are too many gullible people that believe that Bill gates invented Covid so he could chip us all. This leads to people refusing vaccines and deaths from things like measles.

So I think censorship does not go far enough sometimes.

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Leeanna

Freedom of Speech

The constitution prohibits the government from restricting the press or individuals from speaking freely.

The constitution does not grant us the right to say whatever we want.

I've sued several people for libel and slander, and won. I wish I'd sued more. I cherish the right to stop people from hurting me through their words.

I didn't find out for years about a vicious rumor that circulated in my industry about me. It cost me $millions. Had I known what was being said I could have taken steps to stop it. The person who stated that rumor did so to protect his self-interests. The rumor was 100% false.

Our culture despises and shuns those who defame a person's work character so as to ruin her career. And so it should.

Censorship and freedom of speech are not the opposite sides of the same coin.

Censorship is inherently bad because it stops necessary thought and discussion before it starts.

Censorship puts the power in the hands of the few.

Here's a partial list of books that have been banned at times:

The Great Gatsby, by F. Scott Fitzgerald.
The Catcher in the Rye, by JD Salinger.
The Grapes of Wrath, by John Steinbeck.
To Kill a Mockingbird, by Harper Lee.
The Color Purple, by Alice Walker.
Ulysses, by James Joyce.
Beloved, by Toni Morrison.
The Lord of the Flies, by William Golding
Lady Chatterley's Lover, DH Lawrence.
Brave New World, Aldous Huxley.
Tropic of Cancer, Henry Miller.
The Satanic Verses, Salman Rushdie.
Lolita, Vladimir Nabokov.
All Quiet on the Western Front, Erich Maria Remarque.
Animal Farm, George Orwell.

This site would be shut down immediately -- if those who are banning books would have their way.

Censorship is demanding that the world be more like "me." All things that aren't like "me" should be stopped and eradicated. That sounds a lot like a final solution.

Jill

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)

I remember when 'Lady Chatterley's Lover' ...

... was unbanned here in the UK. Oddly enough I've read all of DHL's books bar that one, partly because I was brought up not 200 yds from his birthplace, but mostly because I enjoyed them and was familiar with the area.

I think I've read most of Angela's list with a few exceptions (like most, Ulysses was a step too far, though I saw the film). I find Scott Fitzgerald pretty tedious, though I have tried. I read 'The Grapes of Wrath' and it so affected me I couldn't possibly read it again.

R

Ironic

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It's ironic that you're using that same right to freedom of expression to say that others should be denied theirs. In some people's opinion, you shouldn't be allowed to say such things... that you should be censored.

See the problem? Having a little censorship is akin to being a little pregnant. Once you open the door to banning anyone's right to voice their opinions, you open the door to your own censure. Who gets to decide what is "responsible speech" that will be allowed? What happens when that power changes hands to fall under the control of those opposed to your beliefs?

Suddenly the idea of someone... anyone... having that much authority over the free exchange of ideas doesn't sound so wonderful, does it?

The hardest part of being tolerant is actually tolerating people you disagree with and letting them have their opinions without trying to change them. You never know when you'll be the one in the minority with everyone telling you that what you're saying should be silenced.

I understand your point, but silencing the opposition is never the answer. It just breeds discontent, animosity, and hatred... giving credence to a line of thought that would otherwise wither on the vine and die of atrophy. The argument goes, "Why can't you just refute the idea with a better argument, giving the lie to the oppositions flawed ideas? If your way to combat a point of view is to silence it, what does that say about the strength of your own argument?"

You and I may disagree on any number of things. We may also agree on quite a few things. The only way to learn is the free exchange of ideas, without anyone overseeing whose ideas are "allowed" to be spoken.

As an extreme minority group, transgenders are especially vulnerable to this kind of authority. There are a large number of people that equate transgender fiction with pornography. People in positions of authority could easily be swayed to believe that what we write about here is akin to child porn and should therefore be silenced. Don't think so? Every story I've written involves children as young as 12. One of my stories has a sex scene in it. It's between consenting adults, but you'd have to actually read it to know that. A casual observer of the Title Page of Every Day Is Your Last can see the tag, "Character Age: Teenage or High School" along with the tag, "CAUTION: Sex / Sexual Scenes" and reach the (incorrect) conclusion that it's kiddie porn... and demand it be removed.

The power to silence others is insidious... if given any room to grow it will consume all in its reach until only one point of view remains... the point of view of those with the power to direct who is allowed to speak.

That's almost the very definition of tyranny.

Just some food for thought.
Roberta

Responsible speech

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Irresponsible speech is telling people they need to drill holes in their skulls to let the demons out (I'm expecting the DRILL HOLES IN YOUR HEAD CHALLENGE to take social media by storm any day now...), or to combat Covid by drinking arsenic. Speech that harms people, not in some general sense that this philosophy is bad for the human race, but directly. If I ran Twitter or whatever I would censor the fuck out of speech like that.

But otherwise I say let folks have their say; like when the ACLU defends Nazi's right to hold rallies. I'm sure they hate Nazis as much as I do, but they believe the First Amendment is sacrosanct, if not always pretty.

And when bigots feel free to spout their evil nonsense instead of towing the line and saying "African American" instead of their preferred term it makes it so much easier to know what they are and to avoid them, or to not waste water trying to help them (i'm talking hardcore genocidal maniacs, not Archie Bunker-type armchair bigots like my Dad) if they should burst into flames.
~hugs, Veronica

Irresponsible actions

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I can go along with that, but then we already have laws that say that while you are free to write or say anything you like, you can still be held responsible for your actions. If you advise people to treat their diabetes by taping electromagnets to their waist, you can be held responsible for the inevitable outcome of that action. (this one's a true story in fact; a man in the early 70s was charged and convicted for murder for doing just that... and then selling people the belts) If you spread lies about someone that are injurious to them, you can be sued for libel or slander. (depending on if it's written or spoken)

In all cases though, it's never justifiable that people who have done these heinous acts should be silenced. Even a newspaper convicted of libel can still put out the next day's issue... (tabloids wouldn't exist otherwise) and the man who is convicted of incitement to riot is still free to stand on the corner the day after release from jail and legally protest his own conviction.

Words are just words. They hold no power in and of themselves... only the power we chose to give them. (a quote from Eleanor Roosevelt comes to mind here) I personally believe that fascists and totalitarian communists are terrible human beings, caring nothing for the human misery their 'ideas' have spread over the last century, but I would be the last person to say that they should be silenced. On the contrary, I say let 'em yammer! It exposes them for who they are and inevitably showcases the real motivations behind their ideologies. (typically self aggrandization through acquisition of power or money for themselves)

The power to silence others, if it exists in a society, will inevitably lead to tyranny. It can't help but do so as long as flawed human beings are the ones making the decisions as to what speech or written words are 'allowed'. Inevitably unscrupulous people will get that power and use it to silence their ideological adversaries... and thus begin the downward spiral toward barbarism.

I'm terrified of such power, since we here at BCTS are such a small minority that we could all too easily end up on on someone's 'blacklist'. As it is, many public internet access portals like hospitals and such block access here, likely on the grounds of it being 'indecent' from someone's point of view. That is their choice since they're paying for the access links... but it showcases just how vulnerable places like this are to being silenced should the power to do so come to those in positions of authority in our society. Our voices are small and all too easily shouted down, as they have been for centuries. Would we even know what we are if there existed the power to silence us? It was the unfettered free speech of the internet that finally freed most of us from our prisons of self-loathing. How many of us might not even be here were it not for places like BCTS that gave voice to our perspectives and told us we weren't alone in the world?

Beware any who would silence their enemies. We are all someone's enemy.

Hugs,
Roberta

As a friend of mine used to say

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'I'd like to stamp out intolerance,' (tongue firmly in cheek). What we should be doing is promoting tolerance.

Angharad

I did hear somewhere DRILL

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I did hear somewhere DRILL HOLES IN YOUR HEAD cures covid. Apparently it release's the martock particles that cause it. they buid up in your brain and need releasing.

I'm not a doctor, please please DON'T DRILL HOLES IN YOUR HEAD

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Leeanna

" believe that what we write

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" believe that what we write about here is akin to child porn "

That's the reason I came off Literotica. Someone explained that is how a boy chid wearing his mothers heels is seen. God help them goind into a children's book shop. There are a few titles that involve clothing exchange.

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Leeanna

Toasted cheese sandwiches

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It's winter and time for my favorite hot sandwich lunch: Toasted cheese and tomato soup.

Home made tomato soup is wonderful but much more effort and trouble than the sandwiches, so here's a recipe for them that is perfectly good with canned tomato soup for the complement.

I like to use sourdough whole grain bread from my local bakery but almost any bread will do, even the simple American-style grocery loaf of white bread.

Soften some butter and spread on one side of each slice, generous but not too thick. Take one slice of the bread for each sandwich and spread the thinnest layer possible of yellow mustard on the unbuttered side (or do this first, it's less messy). Put some cracked or fresh ground pepper and onion/garlic powder on the mustard side.

Assemble the sandwich with the cheese. I like to use high quality American-style processed cheese slices from the deli/butcher counter for their gooey perfection. A great alternative is sliced medium Tillamook cheddar. Sharp cheddar gets a bit grainy feeling when melted, but you can also use Swiss (Emmentaler) or a slice of two different kinds. I don't like the middle of the sandwich to get too gooey, so I break up the slices and place them so the double thickness is near the crust and the middle of the bread has only a single thickness of cheese.

Put this into your pre-heated pan at medium-high. A minute or two will brown the bread to toasty goodness and start the cheese to melting. Flip the sandwich over, cover the pan and turn the heat down a bit to finish melting the cheese and toasting the second side. Don't let the bread burn unless, y'know, you like that bitter flavor.

Serve with cream of tomato soup made according to the directions on the side of the can, or your own version of home-made tomato marvel. Thick-cut Hawaiian-style potato chips (Maui-onion flavor if you can get them) make a good companion crunch. Green onions or Kosher dill pickles are also good. Even celery (yuck!) if that floats your boat.

Do NOT toast your cheese sandwiches over the flames of a burning book or internet political discussion thread. Just saying.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Your recipe should be

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Your recipe should be censored Erin, because it sounds too nice . It must be fattening and will cause heart problems if I eat it 6 times a day for 5 years. LOL

Anyway, I love the book smoked taste.

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Leeanna

a difference

There is a considerable difference between banning books because you dislike the ideas they champion and banning them because they are based on proven falsehoods. As an example I completely disagree with the philosophy of Atlas Shrugged but would make no effort to have it removed from my local library. I know that the Protocols Of The Elders Of Zion is nothing but a pack of lies and would certainly protest its appearence on their shelves. A free exchange of ideas is not a license to propagate lies. Facillitating the former while preventing the latter is the challenge that librarians and others face.

It seems that the polarisation

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Started by populist politicians is spreading new cancers. The two opposite camps are driven by emotion rather than reason and frequently involve corruption in high places as well as the distraction of imaginary fears put about by the politicians.

Sadly when people are uncertain about their futures for whatever reason, this sort of opportunity for extremist politicians arises. However, ignoring it won't make it go away, it has to be defeated at the ballot, except the corrupt ones in charge are trying to disenfranchise their opposition by fair to foul methods, gerrymandering is the name of the game. Make sure you remain reasonable and open-minded and use common sense, do not let the fear mongers frighten you and use your vote to stop them.

Angharad

In 2014, the publisher of Maus asked Spiegelman to design a...

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In 2014, the publisher of Maus asked Spiegelman to design a bookmark for their upcoming Library Edition of the combined volumes (1 & 2) of Maus. Printed in a black and white version, the bookmark was included with each of the that run's printing of the Library Edition.

Bookmark in Color

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