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The Feelings of All Are Valid
I am not so sure that I disagree with the six girls so much. I don't remember if the article said how long girl A had been on blockers and 'moans; hopefully from before age nine or ten. Were that the case, then she should look substantially female. Lots of 16 year old girls have yet to develop much of a bust, being less than an A cup. I've seen lots of nude women and the double D ladies in that age range are very rare.
Women with clitoromegaly are fairly rare, but I wonder what they do with their bits when changing in the locker room? I've been in lots of adult gyms and each woman has a little changing compartment if she wishes. Some women are a blatant as you can imagine, but I've seldom seen the "front bottom" as it were. Now if you get a bunch of college students camping at wilderness hot springs, almost no one wears anything at all.
It's a shame that it has to come out at all that student A is trans. Perhaps a goal for the future could be to do a sort of pre-op to make her look more female there. Tucking and gluing is not long term, but if she'd been on blockers an things then the junk should have shrunk. Which could raise issues with the SRS OP later some think? My own doctor said that was not an issue.
Which raises the idea of the advisors being a bit short on mental capacity. Did they think they could just trot a fully intact anatomical male into the girls locker room and there would not be an issue? Girls are not able to be conditioned to accept it, and Pavlov is long deceased.
Education
If school is not for educating these girls as to what really matters, send them all home and nail the doors closed. Dig a pit, bury all the desks and blackboards and sow it with salt. Their cis-privilege is showing and it is not pretty. This is much the same as if they were reacting to a gay, Jewish or black student. 150 years ago, these girls would have complained about Irish children riding the same train car with them.
Not much sympathy, girls, you are the mainstream; you don't get to gripe about being victims of the system, you own the system.
Hugs to all, and yeah, even these six princesses.
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Surely the girls
Can use the private changing stations if they are uncomfortable at the thought someone may see them changing.
Cut It Out
Let's substitute the word "amputee" for "transgender" and see how this article sounds.
The girls readily admit that they don't feel threatened -- it just doesn't make them "feel right."
That sounds like a personal problem for them.
A few days ago I argued against corporal punishment, but these six girls could use a swift kick where it would do them the most good.
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
Attitudes
I strongly suspect that these girl's "concerns" are being heavily influenced by adults in their lives (parents, grandparents, teachers, pastors) who have their own agenda, and who are using these girls to push it. These "adults" are either too big of cowards or rightly think that if they themselves press these issues they will be labelled as bigots, so they brow-beat these poor girls into being "concerned" for their privacy.
When will we learn to accept people for what they are and not what someone, or some religion tell us they should be. I believe in God, but I suspect he is very disappointed in us.
For God so loved the world that he gave his only son, that men need not die., so what do we do, we somehow turn this message of incredible love into a message of hate and narrow mindedness, and use Christianity into a tool to repress others. We are pathetic.
That is why I am Christian, but belong to no organized church. Most Muslims are no better, and some are worse.
Waterdog
Allow the six
I say allow the six to use the special locker room and allow student A to use the main locker room.
Hugs
Patricia
Happiness is being all dressed up and HAVING some place to go.
Semper in femineo gerunt
i agree on one thing
Forcing an issue on someone when it appears to be a violation of their rights is wrong. This could be handled better still and was badly handled to begin with.
Student A's parents using lawyers to FORCE people to accept her in all aspects when they clearly don't is very much what a dictator would do.
the "New" changroom should have been enough. You cant force people to change fast. It just doesnt work people will always fight back HARD.
Separation is never equal
Might as well hang a yellow star around the girl's neck. And if lawyers had never FORCED people to accept black people in school, we'd still be back in the forties. Forcing people to do the right thing is what the law is for.
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Thirty years ago
My high school, in the Chicago suburbs, had 2 African-American students out of about 4,000 students. A brother and sister, they weren't the first African-American students in the district, but the first in 5 years or so. I don't remember any complaints, the boy was in my gym class, but I know that if they thought they could have gotten away with it, students would have complained about them being the same locker room.
As was ruled in the past, Separate is not Equal.
Fifty Years Ago
Queer-bashing was considered a mainstream sport when I was a teenager in the sixties. If a high school boy would have been so stupid as to "out" himself, it's very doubtful many boys would have wanted to be in the same locker room with him.
There was so much misinformation around about homosexuality. Some of it still exist today . . . particularly the right's fascination with the "gay agenda" which is a code phrase for gay recruitment.
The courts are not the answer in most cases. I've sued and been sued many times. A courtroom is a poor place to seek justice. Yet, sometimes the law must be enforced and judges are called upon to compel people to follow the will of the people. It's far from a perfect system, but it's better than any alternative.
Sometimes it works. Several decades ago we were absolutely shocked in this country to have Title IX forced upon us and jammed down our throats by activist judges. Did it have an impact? Prior to Title IX a much lower percentage of females had attained a college degree in the US (about five males for every three females). After Title IX became law things started to change. Last year was a landmark in that it was the first time that the percentage of women with a college degree was higher than men with a college degree. Last year there were about 11.5 million female students on campus and 8.7 million males (about four females for every three males).
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
Unfortunately
The further additions and rulings on Title IX have destroyed many college athletic programs, as men's sports were slashed and cut so there were an equal number of scholarships offered (ignoring that an American Football team usually has as many athletes in it as the full rosters of several other sports, and there is no women's equivalent).