Dormice Are Doomed In Slovenia

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Saw this article this morning in the local rag. I wonder if they have Dormice safaris?

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-mct-bc-sl...

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I suspect this

Angharad's picture

is the edible dormouse not the hazel one, however, it's as pointless as hunting anywhere and demonstrates the arrogance of humans who still act as if the world is there for them to exploit.

Angharad

Not all hunting

is pointless. Here in america deer hunting is seen by many as sport, that is true, but many others see it as a way to cut down the deer population as a way to help farmers keep there crops intact and also as a way to put food on their own tables or at least to supplement their diets.

Bekah

Man, The Ultimate Predator

littlerocksilver's picture

There are more deer in this country today than there ever were. Much of this is due to the fact that the natural predators are gone in many regions of the US. Man has taken over the role of the wolves and pumas, and we're not nearly as efficient. Actually, in the US more deer are killed in collisions with motor vehicles than are killed by hunters. Urban deer are a huge problem in many regions of the US.

Portia

I myself

could never bring myself to actually hunt. My stomach rebels at the site of blood and the required dressing of the inevitable kill. My dad is a hunter so I have seen it and even eaten wild game. I love deer meat and rabbit but rarely get to eat it anymore beings that I don't hunt and am no longer local to my family I can't even get leftovers.

Bekah

Deer meat

Here in the States it is illegal to sell hunted deer meat. All venison here is all farm-raised and 85% of it comes from New Zealand. I did however resently read an article where there is a push to allow for specially trained Hunters to cull deer in specific suburban locations and allow them to sell the meat. Right now, some locations are allowed to have special cull hunts but unfortunately it is all at the taxpayers expence and often the deer corpses are just dumped in the local landfill. Only some of it gets donated to charities.

The Trouble With Game Animals Is That They Taste Awful

I live on a small island in the Atlantic, to the west of Scotland, where the local farmers mostly raise sheep. We have a serious problem with wild geese - not only can three of them eat as much grass as a sheep can, but they fowl the rest of it and the sheep cannot eat it then. So the farmers and their friends shoot the wild geese. My son in law shoots them, and tries to give me the birds for food, but first there is the problem of plucking them - those feathers are very fixed, and are the very devil to pull out, then there is all the fine down that hangs in the air for weeks, and makes one sneeze, but after that there is the problem with the actual meat. It has such a strong taste, one cannot eat it. After many experiments I found that if one used it to make a curry, the horrible taste can be masked but even then, hours and hours of boiling it cannot remove all the tendons and small bones that hold it together and make it a powerful flying machine but an awful thing to have to eat. My Daughter suggested just cutting off the breast muscles and giving the rest to the cats and dogs, but that seems a waste and anyway it still tastes too strong and once a year is quite enough. This is not just my opinion either.

We also have wild deer, that come down from the hills in winter, and will leap over fences built to keep the sheep out and will finish off all one's winter vegetables like cabbages in minutes. Venison is not so strong a flavour as goose but again the flesh is full of hard stringy bits making eating it a real toothbreaking battle.

Domesticated animals have been selectively bred for a thousand or more years to be soft and tender meat. Wild ones have bred themselves to be tough survivors, the result is that wild animals make very inferior food sources. We also have wild rabbits on the island - a domesticated, tame rabbit has pale meat that tastes delicious, but the wild ones are dark and stringy again. Also, from time to time the myxematosis runs through them still, and one is revolted at the thought of eating diseased animals.

When one looks into it, 'Man the Mighty Hunter' is only a macho myth - our stone age ancestors just came after the big cats when they had made a kill and chased them off when they had eaten their fill and stole the rest of the body to drag back to their caves. Mostly we were competing with the vultures and hyaenas, not the primary carnivores, and most of our food was roots and berries. Look at our teeth if you want proof ! The teeth say that we are omnivores, not carnivores.

Briar

Omnivores during spring,

Omnivores during spring, summer, and fall. Carnivores in winter.

Competing with scavengers... not always, and it would have depended on the terrain. Once humans became tool users, the ability to get fresh food improved. Despite popular fiction, many native americans were very much pure sustenance level tribes. Once they obtained horses, _then_ things started to improve for them (at least for the plains tribes). It's _hard_ to kill buffalo or other large mammals with just spears or bows.

There's also no telling how long we've been tool users. (at the spear/rock stage)


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

New Forest Culled Deer

I regularly eat Venison from the culled deer. It has more taste and even less fat than farmed deer.
The Sitka deer are a real menace. I have a dislocated shoulder as evidence to that. I hit one while out for a ride on my Bonnieville in 2010.
We really need a huge cull of deer here in the south of England. Hitting one even in a proper Land Rover can prove fatal.
The beasts are starting to invade the towns in search of food like the foxes before them.

The latest thinking

Angharad's picture

Is that man was an active hunter and our front teeth are designed for eating meet, also the way the back is designed, it was for people who could run all day if necessary. We didn't have the speed or strength of the big cats but we could run many of the herbivores to exhaustion and then kill them. Alice Roberts did a whole series on the evolution of man a couple of years ago and we became tool users because of our opposing thumbs which are much stronger than any of the other primates.

Angharad

I seem to recall that humans

I seem to recall that humans have an extra muscle in the buttock/hip region - one that the other large primates (like gorillas) don't have. The recent conclusion was that it was a muscle specifically oriented towards long distance running - which, of course, other primates don't do.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

I have to agree with Bekah:

I have to agree with Bekah: Not all hunting is pointless! But some of it is certainly senseless.

For many of us here at BCTS there is no need to hunt for our daily subsistence, in the sense of tracking and killing some animal. Our "hunting ground" is the local supermarket and/or shopping center, where we "hunt" for that food and clothing that will give us the most bang for the buck.

Though there still are some ethnicities that do hunt for subsistence, and use almost all of the carcass (the meat for food and the hide for clothing) discarding only the intestines and finally the bones (though some of those are used for crafts).

Senseless hunting is when people kill animals for the sake (or joy) of killing, or to brag about having killed some big game. Or when they take only one small part of the carcass and leave the rest to rot (e.g. taking just the tenderloin of a deer, or taking just just the tusk of an elephant).

Unfortunately, many gardens, fields and farms are a very easy food source for many small animals, to the point that they will multiply and become a pest. Case in point, I have a few fruit trees in my yard, but the fruits are hollowed out by parakeets before they are ready to be harvested. Turns out that across the street is an abandoned yard where a parakeet colony has built a nest. And now all my neighbors are unable to harvest any fruits, because the parakeets will eat the fruits before they are ripe enough to harvest. What to do?

Similar situations exist in many rural areas, where wildlife can multiply exponentially. It is far to easy to upset natures balance.

Food for thought.

Jessica

I've never looked down on

I've never looked down on hunters, unless they were unwilling to eat what they hunted. Even trophy hunters. If it gets eaten, I have no problems with it. If you're just looking for junk for the wall, you shouldn't be holding the gun, bow, or trap line.

Personally, I'm not fond of venison; haven't had much of the other 'wild' meats. What I _do_ look down upon is anyone who espouses any sort of attitude towards caring towards animals, or how those animals are killed, who have _never_ even attempted to raise what they eat, or at least look it in the eye. I see animals as food, or companionship. I've never appreciated anyone espousing that animals have more 'rights' than humans do - they don't. They're just animals. We're animals. We're just better at being predators than they are. We just don't have to be absolute sh*ts about it. All animals deserve some respect, especially those that we eat, or that provide us with needed clothing (leather, wool, feathers, fur, etc)

It's getting to the point that we'll have to start actively hunting dogs and cats, unfortunately, and deer are, in some parts of the country, the major predators of cars. Just around my house are at least 8 'unclaimed' cats, most not spayed or neutered. There are another half a dozen loose dogs - and I have a four year old that I don't dare let out in the front yard some days. In other areas, it's a lot worse. You'll see a different loose dog (no collar) every time you drive through, which means there has to be a large quantity of them in those areas. I've got a BB Pistol on my 'to get' list.

As for hunting from horseback, I've always thought most of that was just plain silly. If I needed/wanted to catch a fox, I'd set traps. Running around on horseback chasing after dogs, to me, sounds like a good way to break your neck. :)


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Just read through the article

From the article, it appears that most of them are being fully used. 36 pelts for a hat, plus eating the meat (probably stewed).

It still seems like a silly festival, but from the little in the article, doesn't appear to threaten the species in Slovenia as a whole.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Shhhh!

Don't let the Lady Cameron hear about this. She'll reach deep down and channel her inner Highland Redneck Warrior, fire up her blue light and go all Robert Bruce on them.