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I had to roll back to the previous version of windows 10 after the last update added cortina.

The result was my laptop slowed down so much that at times what should have taken brief seconds froze the screen for minutes and looking at the task manager (again minutes to load) showed the cpu was working at 100 percent.

Having rolled back to the last up-date I now find Google chrome and windows explorer will not let me into Amazons web site (my own stored links or using direct links from BC's website, or even google's own web page links. It also will not let me into Wikipedia or Windows own website. When it rebooted it did try to load tgstories website and banned that one, though I don't remember ever going their before. It does not seem to have a problem with any other web site.

I haven't a clue how to fix the problem. Any help would be most appreciated.

Sophie

Laptop details

HP Pavilion Beats auudio

Processor
Intel Celeron CPU N2840 @ 2.16GHz 2.16GHz

RAM:
4.00GB (3.89 Gb usable)
System type:
64bit operating system, x64 based processor
touch support with 10 touch points

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IMHO, Microsoft have an awful

IMHO, Microsoft have an awful lot to answer for with Windows 10. The quality of the updates that they are focing upon the poor IT Illiterate is frankly abysmal.
I think your only solution (based upon similar tales of woe I've read about) is to do a complete re-install. Oh wait, you don't get the software to do that these days.
You need to speak to HP and MS. Sorry, I can't give you any more help. I am now (mostly) Microsoft Free after spending years fighing them and their nannying simply to get my job done. Now that I've retired I can forget MS and all the grey hair that the OS has given me.
Samantha

PS, I'd go for Firefox as my web Browser. I use is on Windows, OSX(MacOS) and Linux. If you add 'ublock origin', 'NoScript' and 'a few other plugins it is my browser of choice. IF thar does not work then I suspect that the Firewall on your system is blocking everything,

re-Windows10

Dear Sophie,
please run a Virus check on your machine - that behavior looks very much like a virus...
If the scan does not detect anything, have a look at your hosts -file ( C:\Windows\System32\drivers\etc\ ) . Right-click hosts and select "open with" => Notepad. Check that your websites are not entered like e.g. 127.0.0.1 bigclosetr.us ... - should they are, remove those entries.

Generally:
I had a similar problem with the Computer being very slow after a Windows 10 update. It had something to do with the Chipset-driver. Downloading the latest driver from the Intel Website (https://downloadcenter.intel.com/download/20775/Intel-Chipse...) solved the problem!
Re-Install the Windows update, then install the Chipset driver and you should be good again!

Regards

Tabby

Windows 10 woes

If you check processes on ctrl-alt-delete and sort by CPU usage does it tell you what programs hogging all your runtime?
While websites not loading can be caused by a number of different things, paired with the dramatic slowing of the system I'd suspect it's the rollback's fault.

From what I've heard windows 10 suffers from the same rollback issues that 7 did originally.
Basically when you rollback it isn't a truly clean rollback, the OS just pushes your system into a prior state and keeps all the update functions running in the background until you re-upgrade again.

It's a really stupid system without many ways to get around it that aren't rather drastic sadly.

As long as you linked your version of windows 10 with a microsoft account when you installed it, you can download the necessary software to make either a reinstall CD or USB stick from microsofts website these days.
You just have to log back into your microsoft account when the install is done and it validates automatically for you.

You would have to backup all your important files first though because the reinstall will wipe everything.
Chrome and Firefox have their own backup utilities at least, which is useful to keep your passwords safe etc as long as you remember to do a fresh sync of them before you reinstall.

There used to be a trick to clear the cache of 'updates on hold' for windows 7 but I've got no idea if it would work on 10 sadly.
If you look for 'clearing windows update cache' you'll find multiple sites listing how to do it through CMDPrompt, some of them even have handy pictures for the less tech-savy :)

9 times out of 10, a reinstall is just simply easier then trying to 'fix' windows when it goes wrong.
The whole OS is held together with digital duct tape and hope at the moment, as always it's going to take several service packs before 10s as stable as even 7 managed by the end of it's run.

Sorry I couldn't be more help but I hope you find a solution.
Nessa

windows ****^$##%# 10

1) revert to a previous build. I reverted to 1511.

2) remove the applications which no longer function and reinstall them.

This is what I had to do when the latest "update" hit. It took me all day to find the method that actually worked.

Five of my applications stopped working when Microsoft "updated" my windows 10 and I have queried them repeatedly asking how to disable updates during the past five months. They refuse to answer and in W-10 I have found no way to prevent updates. Further, they have forced their own version of pdf reader, the wordprocessor, and the movie player (movies and TV) as default. They also prevent removal of those applications.

It took me seven attempts at redefining the default programs before it finally "took".

Microsoft has a history of one good operating system and three bad ones before they have one good one again. Seven was the last good one.
Eight wasn't so very good, ten is most certainly something that should have been thrown out with the bath water, so we have one more bad one to go before another good one comes along.

A.

More windows woes

I'm not sure if it actually makes a difference or not yet but I changed my user settings to login with a local account instead of the microsoft one that it set's as default because it let me have custom short login passwords.

It basically meant making a new user profile but I've not gotten any forced updates and definitely nothing like a pdf reader etc come up lately.
I seem to have to actually go into updates and click to check for them before they start, if that's what your looking for?

Hope that helped.
Nessa

Local account logon

I have all three of our Windows computers are set to use local account logons, because i don't want a Microsoft account. My systems still update automatically. Unlike with Windows 7, the inability to select or delay the updates is a "feature" of Windows 10. I updated my systems from Windows 7 to Windows 10 in June. About a month ago, after two months of no problems, the two HP laptops (an Envy 4-1015dx and a Pavilion dm4-2070us) stated causing my WI-Fi router to disconnect from the Internet whenever they were attempting to connect. After weeks of troubleshooting and replacing equipment, I decided that incompatible hardware drivers were the cause. I went to HP's support site only to find a statement that "HP does not provide Windows 10 drivers on HP.com for HP computers sold prior to August 2013." They also did not have drivers for these systems for Windows 8. Since the two laptops worked well with Windows 10 for two months, there must have been an update sometime in the past month which broke my systems. Since Windows 7 will still receive security updates until Jan. 2020, I now recommend that one should not upgrade any system to Windows 10. If you must have Windows 10, buy a new computer with it preinstalled and supported.

how-to-block-windows-10-updates

I has an update that on reboot the SSD (c: drive) was not recognised by BIOS i had to physically unplug the sata cable boot -shutdown, plug in then reboot and set ssd as boot in Bios i have had this happen on 2 of the 6 computers i look after.

i found a way to stop that update using this website http://www.techtantri.com/how-to-block-windows-10-updates/

The file ( wushowhide.diagcab 45.5KB) is available for download at the Microsoft download center

good luck
Amanda

Best thing you could do at this point

Is save everything completely format and reinstall, but instead of reinstalling win10, go with Win7 at this point. Also from the specs you gave, I would go with a 32 bit version instead of 64 bit, since 64 bit really needs more than 4GB of RAM to truly give you any benefits.

Later, after the law suits (yes there have already been a couple over windows 10) settle, you can always upgrade back to Windows 10.

As of this point in time, if you want any control over updates and patches in windows 10 you MUST have the enterprise version. One of the latest updates even stripped the pro version down to the same settings as the home version.

We the willing, led by the unsure. Have been doing so much with so little for so long,
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

Stop Win 10 Forced Updates

This article was published as of July 18 2016, so it is pretty recent.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/3085136/windows/two-ways-to-c...

The video on the page only talks about and shows the SECOND method they describe, but there are TWO ways provided to stop the forced updates.

Not sure how much more control you get on the updates with this though a-la older version of Windows letting you manually select the updates you want to run - I am still running on Win 7 so have all the control I want (and use it).

- Leona

Another possible solution to website access problem

When I updated Windows 10 recently I found that I could not access certain websites. A liitle experimentation revealed that this was probably because of some conflict between Windows Defender and the anti-malware software I was running (Kaspersky and Malawarebytes). Turning off Windows Defender solved the problem. Microsoft have changed the way in which Windows Defender works in the latest update so that it now runs regardless of whatever other security software is running, and this may be why the problem arose after updating.

I know that in your case you have rolled back to the previous version but as another poster has suggested this roll back may not be complete. It might therefore be worthwhile seeing what happens if you turn Windows Defender off (Settings>Update & security>Windows Defender) and then try to access the Amazon site (no restart required). If this works then you need to consider whether your system is sufficiently secure without Windows Defender running and if so turn it off permanently (the switch in Settings only turns it off temporarily - it restarts after a while). To do this requires a registry hack unless you have the Pro or Enterprise version of Windows - a search for 'turn Windows Defender off permanently' should bring up instructions on how to do so.

The above does not of course solve the problem with the update slowing your machine down, but it has the advantage over reinstalling that it is very quick to try and may solve the immediate problem of access to Amazon.

Just to throw out some information

1) Windows 10 violates HIPAA. Period. Their privacy policy precludes any HIPPA viability, no matter what the IT people trying to sell new systems might claim.

2) No version of Windows 10 can have updates blocked. Period. Windows 10 Ultimate can have updates delayed for a certain time, but that's all. To disable or block updates, you must have an Active Directory domain running a WSUS server, and use that to block the updates.

3) The largest problem with Windows 10 and drivers is if you are somehow still using the manufacturer drivers. This can happen with upgrades. If you have a clean Windows 10 upgrade, and are only using the Microsoft drivers, you are a lot less likely to have a 'can't boot the machine' driver fault. Network drivers really have problems with this. I have a customer with at least three upgraded Win10 machines that connect to the network, but within 2 minutes, they can't talk to anything any more.

4) A _clean_ install of Windows 10, with a local (not Microsoft) account, and running Classic Start, is pretty stable. I'm still not a fan of it, but I don't panic when a customer throws one in front of me. Some _do_ want it reverted, others just want it working, but I only insist on a reinstall to Windows 7 when it's a business machine.

5) You can create a Windows 10 install USB stick pretty easily. Microsoft provides an application you download to do just that. (I'll find the link if enough people ask) Basically, you run the application, tell it that you have a USB stick, and yes, it can destroy everything on there. It'll load the version you tell it, and burn it on the stick. You can then back up your data, put the stick in, boot off of the stick and do a clean installation.

6) If you want to try to get off of the Microsoft crazy train, you can try Ubuntu, Kubuntu, or Zorin linux (an Ubuntu variant) I wouldn't try Lubuntu or Xubuntu unless you're reasonably experienced, or have a system that's kind of slow or low on resources. (That Celeron N series processor is basically an Atom processor. Netbook class, with a bigger screen) You _will_ be able to do most of the stuff you're used to. My main laptop for 8 years has been a netbook running Kubuntu. I'm looking at dropping Kubuntu for Xubuntu, simply because 16.04 has decided _nobody_ has a screen shorter than 768. You can't even migrate the Netbook theme from 14.04 - they've nuked it. Plasma is NOT a fun thing unless you have a lot of processor and ram to waste. Caveat. You will not be able to do most of the fun windows programs you used before, you know, like Spider Solitaire, Minesweeper, CryptoWall, CryptoLocker, and Zeus.

7) If you have money to waste, Apple's OS X, for an individual, is not a bad platform. I mean, it's NEXT!

8) To respond to the initial request, there's a lot of things that aren't going to work quite right when you rolled back. You'll almost have to go forward at the next update point, or do a clean install, to get things working again. Windows 10 is doing some massive changing in the background. I suspect that in size of OS vs size of Service Packs (hotfixes), Windows 10 will exceed Windows NT 4.0. (By the time the last service pack had come out, the total amount of changes amounted to over six times the size of the original operating system install. In fact, the last service pack installer was three? four? times the size of the original OS installer)

BW


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Thanks Everyone

You have all given me lots to try and see if it fixes the problem.
I'm off the the dentist this morning for a check-up (what fun!)

Thanks everyone for helping this duffer
Sophie

A bit late but

A bit late but I just saw this article that's relevent.

http://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft...

Looks like the reason Microsoft made windows 10 into such a bloated slab of instability and silly features was so they could sell monthly subscription licences to the public to get the actually good version?
Give it a few months and maybe *unlisted sources* might have an installer worked out though? it's happened on past Enterprise based versions of the OS at least lol