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Hello I was chatting tonight and a interesting idea come up. We have a wonderful group of talented authors here at BC and that got me to wondering what if any Non-TG materials they might have written. For that matter is there a convenient place where we can find these hidden treasures? I know some have their own homepages but what for those like me who are technically inept? Anyone?

Well maybe not a good idea, but just maybe...
hugs!
grover

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Non-TG Website

erin's picture

I've thought for some time of launching a general fiction (or SF or Fantasy) website on the model of BC. Anyone interested?

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Yes Please.

I spend more time working on non TG fiction than on TG, although I find it easier to finish the TG stuff. It would be lovely to get some feedback. General fiction would do it for me.

Hugs,

Tara
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Breanna Ramsey's picture

It sounds like a great idea.

Scott
Writing is not necessarily something to be ashamed of--but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards.
Lazarus Long - Robert A. Heinlein's 'Time Enough for Love'

Bree

The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
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Don't make me beg!

I'd like that a lot... I find Fictioneer unwieldy. I write:
Sci Fi
Fantasy
Historic Fiction
Alternate History
Speculative Fiction
Mystery
Erotica, Lesbian
Humor
and sub-genres of pretty much all of those

Edeyn

Non TG Stuff

What about a non TG section?

Rather than creating a whole new website (time consuming and costly), what about a non TG section within BC?

Agreed there may have to be some parameters or rules associated with, but I would love to be able to post 'stories' here as I too am one of those people who don't only think in TG terms.

I think it's a capital idea!

Nick B

Upon thinking..

I rather feel as if this place has just begun to get traction. The first year after the migration from old BC? Yes Erin goes by "Moses" in some circles and yes she will lead an enslaved tranny boy out of bondage..if he wants that. But really, who would? :)

Seriously, I feel as if BC is just beginning to attract voices from the TG community and there is a huge amount of growth left to do here. Like it or not, TG is something that sets this place apart..that as someone said they actually "search" for. I mean who searches upon; "just something else to read" ?

Erin, if your energy is boundless and you need a new goal, go for it. Personally, I would love it if you just focused on this place and made it all that it could be. I know it is hard to believe but I never was in the Marines. :)

Hugs and support regardless,

Gwen
Gwen Lavyril

Gwen Lavyril

Non TG writing

Recently I exchanged emails with Erin and she told be that NON TG stuff is acceptable here. I am currently working on a Feminist Science Fiction story that is not TG. I am putting a lot of effort into it and I think people will like it.

Gwenellen

Just to be clear

erin's picture

As I told Gwenellen, it's already fine for TG authors to post non-TG stuff here.

What I'm suggesting now is another site that would attempt to attract a different audience. :)

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Well...

Janice the evil one first prompted me to post about this and I for one am in favor. I didn't know about non-tg stuff being acceptable here at BC but still another site would nice as well.
WOW! I guess it was a good idea!... :)
Hugs!
grover

Just peachy, not!

Like I don't have enough on my plate and someone proposes we also write non TG fiction. Ack!

Could be fun, if I can find any time for it.

John in Wauwatosa

P.S. Which evil Janice? For a moment I though you ment the evil Janet of GEBPR fame.

John in Wauwatosa

Proposes?

I already write a lot of non-TG stuff... I have 7 weekly serials besides the two that I write here, that I'm posting for a small readership

Edeyn

Not sure about new site

There are already some good websites out there with (mostly) non-TG stories such as SOL and EWP. If the goal is to encourage the authors on BC to also post their non-TG work, then I think all that's needed is this reminder that they are free to post it here. If they'd like to reach a larger public, why not post them on a few of those other existing sites too ?

The only possible 'danger' I can see is that the non-TG stories could - after some time - become the majority of posts and result in less interest from those of us who only search for TG work. Somehow, I doubt that would happen.

Some of the TG stories I've seen so far is of such a good quality that I would be very eager to read more of those writers, regardless of the presence of any TG or other sexual contents. Some universes, like for example Whateley Academy, don't need the TG to be very captivating in my opinion.

My suggestion: no reason to give Erin even more work to do. Let's keep her attention on this site ;)

Hugs,

Kimby

Hugs,

Kimby

Sol and EWP

erin's picture

I assume you mean webdelsol.com and ewpub.net.

I think the model of BCTS is superior to either of these, no matter how good the stories are. :) I do admire EWP's critic guidelines, though. WDS is more of a portal circus than anything, the stories are not center ring.

There are also things like fanstory.com, Gather and other stuff. I'm still going to think about it. :)

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Erin, Don't Forget Fictioneer.org

.. that we also have as part of our domain of things to play. Erin has a website for our authors to post anything at all on called www.fictioneer.org. Several authors have some pages on them and it could always use more that keep it updated and regular. Create an account and pop in and play with it. Post anything.

Hugs

Sephrena Lynn Miller

I have one

But it's so damn unwieldy. There's no way to post your stories in order and they be listed that way. It's always FIFO, aka Last on Top

Having to go to the bottom of the scroll, then having to jump up to the next chapter is tiresome and irritating

Edeyn

Fictioneer is more of a blog

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For BC, Last on Top for the front page is the only way to make it work for everyone.

When the chapters are linked, there's a link at the bottom of each chapter to the next one, the previous one and the title page. And a list, in the top left column of all the chapters currently posted in order. I arrange these things for authors who don't do it themselves, so sometimes it takes time. Only a handful of authors do this for themselves because it isn't obvious how to do it.

I've never seen another story site that does it significantly better. :) If you point one out, I'll try to adapt their system.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

How About

.. recraft Fictioneer's space. Incorporate Fictioneers feature's into BC's blogs and reuse Fictioneer for your Sci-Fi Fantasy Space and General Non TG Fiction Area. Make it just like BC if you like with out blogging. Is it feasible? any Idea?

Sephrena Lynn Miller

Fictioneer is WordPress, BC is Drupal

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I'd rather leave Fictioneer as author pages and use a new URL for an all story site. Like, AllStoryR.US, which curiously enough is the domain name of the server BCTS runs on. :)

Probably not going to happen soon, anyway. :)

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

I'm not really...

... sure that I'd use it if it existed.

If I went to straight sci-fi/fantasy, I'd probably go back to writing.com. It'd be hard to call it a community like BC because it's huge, but it IS a writer's site with all levels of talent. It's so big with such a blizzard of contests, specialty clubs, internal email, open reviews, private reviews, a ranking system for authors with more levels than a Masonic lodge (slight exaggeration) and many, many stories that it can be intimidating if you're not used to it. The reviews tend to be real reviews, not comments, although some reviewers are certainly much better than others, and they can be brutally honest. In fact, they tend to be on the tough side, as they have a system of stars that penalizes you if you give out too many good reviews. Like most authors, everyone wants feedback so there is a voluntary form of tit for tat with many of the authors, which they advertise. So, generally, you can get a review for every one you give out (if you review one of their stories). Forget about readers giving you a review; it might happen, but I've never seen it.

You can spend a heck of a lot of time there. It has its own culture. You award and receive points for a good story, kind of a substitute for making money, I suppose. Monitors are all over the place and can surprise you with a figurative pat on the head email for writing a good review and give you points. It's kind of like pissing in a wetsuit: you feel warm but nobody notices. :)

You can upload and edit your story or works in progress. It's free with certain limitations. If you want to join and get all the privileges it costs something, not too much IIRC, for a six month membership.

It's not particularly TG friendly. From what I've seen, it tended to rate TG fiction as "X." I had a rather innocuous story, I thought, that I marked R and they bumped the rating, but what the heck.

That is what BC non-TG would be competing with. Could it work? Possibly. The reason FM and BC works to me is because TG fiction everywhere else is considered beyond the bounds. This is like a little home away from it all.

Aardvark

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

Writing.com

Breanna Ramsey's picture

I've got three of my pieces posted there. I've gotten some very nice comments on all, but the problem I have with the site is you have to be very aggressive with self-promotion to get anyone to read. There's no 'front page' like we have here, and, as you point out Ardie, it's huge! Wading in there made me feel like a very. very tiny minnow in a big ole ocean.

That's why I think Erin's idea for a non-TG fiction site for our community is great. Yes it would be smaller, but I see that as a good thing. It would give those of us that have non-TG stories rattling around a place to post them that feels comfortable and familiar, and it would avoid 'diluting' the story pool here at BC. And who knows, such a site might attract people that would never come to a place like BC, but after finding works they like they might actually check this place out and maybe - just maybe - learn something.

Yeah I know what you're thinking - but I do love a good fantasy. Everyone has a right to dream after all.

Scott
Writing is not necessarily something to be ashamed of--but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards.
Lazarus Long - Robert A. Heinlein's 'Time Enough for Love'

Bree

The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
-- Tom Clancy

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Non-left phalangial digit extremity!

No one is saying you would HAVE to write for a new site just because you do for BCTS99S, it'll be more of a "if you wanna" and maybe pull in authors that aren't interested in the TG stuff, as well

Edeyn

Doesn't sound like

it's all that welcoming or even a particularly good site to me. Penalizes you for too many good reviews? What if the ones you review ARE good?

Plus, it sounds a bit phobic if it's bumping ratings for trans stories up to X

I'll give it a miss, thank you

Edeyn Hannah Blackeney

Oh and one more thing

Breanna Ramsey's picture

Writing.com has a free membership, but with it you are limited to 10 posted items. If you want more space you have to pay.

Scott
Writing is not necessarily something to be ashamed of--but do it in private and wash your hands afterwards.
Lazarus Long - Robert A. Heinlein's 'Time Enough for Love'

Bree

The difference between fiction and reality? Fiction has to make sense.
-- Tom Clancy

http://genomorph.tglibrary.com/ (Currently broken)
http://bree-ramsey314.livejournal.com/
Twitter: @genomorph

Well Edeyn...

I don't want to be defending writing.com. I sort of liked it, although I had mixed experiences with it. Bumping ratings is something they said they would do if they thought it necessary. I guess to keep the kiddies happy. R and below, IIRC, could be read by everyone, which was why I gave it the rating I did. They might just have been feeling cautious about men becoming women and then staying that way for all sorts of dubious, to them, reasons. I don't know why they did it. It could have been a couple of curse words, too.

The penalizing too many high ratings is all about making the average story there receive an average rating, and a below average story receive a below average rating, and so forth. So they check your ratings for an average. It's not a bad concept, and in an impersonal environment they can do it with fewer hurt feelings all around, especially as the comments are private for the most part.

This is just by way of explanation.

Aardvark

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

I posted a few stories and poems at writing.com

erin's picture

Mostly the reviews I got were just wrong. Wrong about grammar and punctuation, wrong about what they assumed my intentions were and full of grammar and spelling errors. The ratings I got were mostly high, though. I stopped posting there because I did not want to pay for more poorly written reviews and very few people gave ratings.

Fanstory has a sort of gladhand method that actually got me some useful reviews.

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Writing and carping.com

I've found the reviews at writing.com exactly useless, frankly. Most seem to show that the reviewer has assumed a superiority not in evidence. I posted two stories and a poem there and removed them when the only reviews I got were snotty diatribes against using first person, writing a poem that rhymed and posting a short story with an actual ending.

I read other reviews there and that seemed to be the required style. No thanks.

-- Donna Lamb, Flack

-- Donna Lamb, ex-Flack

Some of my books and stories are sold through DopplerPress to help support BigCloset. -- Donna

One can only imagine

That "wanna be" writers are the only group less secure than TG's. Actually, you have to be fairly well anchored to do the TG thing. My point is that if you are hanging out in a "writing" venue making yourself feel good by abusing others you are not much of a writer. Same goes for TG, well anything for that matter. Donna, I always find your writings nicely executed..which is why we should move to China where our talents will really be appreciated. :) I really liked that idea of actually executing failed political appointee's...hey Donnie Rumsfeld..its your turn darling.

Gwen

Gwen Lavyril

Gwen Lavyril

Mixed bag.

Should have asked for me while I was there, Donna. I'd have given you fair dinkum. :)

You're right in the main, though. Overall, I thought that the reviews I gave were better than what I received back, but I did get a couple of helpful comments, some nice remarks, and all those yummy points! It did bug me that there was no automatic reciprocity. I did a lot of reviews for others with very little to show for it, sometimes not even a thank you, until I went and found some good authors who advertised for "you do mine and I'll do yours." It improved some, then.

It's a swamp in there. I wrote an in-depth review for one guy that took at least a couple of hours, if not more. He liked it so much he asked me to do another on another story, which cost me another couple of hours of my life. When he asked me to do a third, I asked him when he was going to do one of mine. He answered that he wasn't competent enough! Gee, thanks, a**h***. Then there was a time where I did some young woman's long ancient Egyptian novel, chapter by friggin' chapter, which was fairly good, by the way, and therefor hard to review. I did it because I felt sorry for anyone who wrote an entire novel and had so little feedback on it. It took days to get through it all and do a review that would be helpful. Her Holiness never even gave me a reply. Ugh! That was years ago, though. I'm over it now. *heavy breathing*

Aardvark

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

LOL

erin's picture

I saw an Aardvark at EWPUB, was that you?

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Nope

I remembered, finally, how I took that nick. It used to be my password at work years ago and I kept it when I left the company. There are many imitators, but only one of me. :)

Aardvark

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

I know this is an old thread

I know this is an old thread :)
Still it hold my interest.

There are gifted authors on this site.
And as Erin wrote it seems to be okay to publish non-TG stuff if you're already established as a TG writer.

That other place you referred to 'writing.com'? sounded more like a commercial site doing its best to collect money in one way or the other.

I feel that such sites sucks the 'imaginary marrow' :) out of people, especcially if you're expected to also 'advertise' your self.

This site is good as it is.
And if your 'entrance exam' expects you to deliver a good Cross dressing or TG story, well then :) no big deal.

As well as many of those stories deal with emotions and thoughts that are, if I may say so, universal.

Erin :) and you all behind this site should feel proud over your accomplishments here :)

Furthermore this is a relatively 'clean' site as I see it.
Not really into degradation and abuse, instead creating works of literary worth.

Well, I think so anyway ::))

Cheers.
Yoron.