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Chile Transgender Man Becomes Nation's First To Give Birth: Report
Firstly, please forgive any faux pas, I may make in the use of pronouns or descriptive terms I may use in this blog post. Any misuse on my part is not meant to offend anyone who reads this, but is simply my writing about what can be viewed as a confusing topic.
The reference of this blog was the Title of a recent article in Huff Post. See the link below.
I am wondering what the general consensus is about the subject matter among the BCTS community, not only concerning the person (male/female) in this article but in regard to,Thomas Beatie, the Arizona “transman” who gave birth to a child in 2008.
The general public seems to be skeptical, if not hostile, when they read such articles. The person who claims to be a man, and depending on the jurisdiction, may have legally changed their gender, had to have retained their birth (Female) reproductive organs in order to have given birth. If the individual, truly believes that they were born in the wrong body, and are a member of the other gender, birthed as a female, but actually a male, why did they not, remove their female reproductive system, when they transitioned? Why did they keep such organs? Is not saying that a man gave birth an oxymoron?
I am positive that the Transwoman at this site, both those who have undergone surgery or have started taking hormones/blockers, as well as those who would love to do so, but cannot for various reasons, would love to, whose greatest dreams would be to, birth a child. However, except in some of the fiction found at this site with magical changes, that does not/cannot happen. The transwomen here who have natural children, begat those children as those childrens’ fathers.
I have never read a story about a Transwoman giving birth to a child, because it is an impossibility.
Does the claim of Transmen being able to do so as a man cause any resentment?
Rami
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/chile-transgender-m...
Comments
Keeping the naughty bits
There are a number of trans women who have fathered children. Some save sperm before transitioning, and some do it before getting vaginoplasty. I see no problems with either decision.
In general, things are more difficult for trans men. I'm sure it's a lot harder to pass when you're pregnant. Also, I can seem them feeling less masculine when pregnant and nursing. And when/if they do decide to go all the way, phalloplasty isn't as effective as vaginoplasty.
On the other hand, a lot of what was once the exclusive domain of men is now open to women. Also, tomboys can be cute/sexy/cool, and don't have to deal as much with the derision and outright hostility that feminine men experience.
So, for those near the middle of the m/f spectrum, it's easier for a woman to express her masculine side than it is for a man to express his feminine side. Among those whose physical sex and emotional/spiritual gender are at odds with each other, trans girls can transition more completely. Sometimes. If I felt the need to transition, there is no way I could pass. I could try to pas in a Mrs. Doubtfire kind of way, but it really wouldn't happen.
I think...
medical research will create a uterus within 10 years? I just read in the paper that doctors grew a windpipe for a 2 year old girl, so maybe a uterus could be grown for a MTF, and it be a working uterus (complete so you can be a mom).
Any thoughts??
TGSine --958
time frame
I don't doubt that we'll eventually have that technology, but I doubt (unfortunately) that it will be in the next fifty years. And even then, it will not likely be fertile for some time following that (where do the eggs get their DNA from?) There is still entirely too much controversy in being transgender and in providing medical care for TG's for research to happen without lots of opposition.
3D Printed Organs
3D Printers have been around for a little over a decade. They can now be purchased (open source) for as little as $300.00.
Integrated circuit technology is very advanced, and we routinely work with objects that can't even be seen with an optical microscope. We take it for granted that we can buy a 64 gigabyte USB drive or a multi-terabyte hard drive. That's a huge advance compared to the first transistor (created 1947.)
Right now, 3D printer technology is at about the same level as integrated circuit technology was in the mid 70s, and it seems to be moving faster. We are now printing objects on the nanometer scale -- objects that can only be seen with an electron microscope. That's a whole lot smaller than a human cell.
Also, besides the girl with a new trachea, there is a young man that has a 3D printed bladder that he received a number of years ago.
Ten years may be a little optimistic, but I wouldn't bet on it. I expect that transplanting 3D printed organs will be commonplace in ten years -- for some organs, anyhow. Ironically, the biggest thing slowing things down will be the FDA.
The simpler and more commonly needed organs will be first. Hearts, lungs, livers, and kidneys will be high on the priority list, but they are also rather complicated organs.
Something like a working uterus or vagina, being less necessary than a heart or liver, will probably take a back seat. On the other hand, with the technology more accessible to smaller organizations, we might see a lot of research in the area of elective surgery. Maybe you'll have to go to Mexico or Hong Kong, but what else is new?
Meanwhile, since cosmetic surgery is big business, I expect lots of advancements that will spill over -- like face fertilization, breast augmentation, skin care, and even hair removal.
Printing the organs, whether on a printer or in place, is a matter of steady advancement more than breakthroughs. Creating the germ cells (eggs or sperm) is another matter entirely, and may take a while. Still, since fertility treatment is also big business, it should happen.
The concept of cloned or
The concept of cloned or manufactured organs is the premise behind my Op Rescue stories, but when I started those, it seemed like that would be decades away. 3-D printed bio-compatible scaffold structure and adult stem cells are a LOT closer to reality than I would have thought. It would be nice to be able to grow spare parts, and if I were a transwoman, I'd wnat to have reproductive organs grown.
While it may be technically close, it would be prohibitively expensive for a number of years after the first successful demonstrations. Still, if we don't imagine, we won't invent, and it would forever be the stuff of dreams.
Imagination is more important than knowledge
A. Einstein
Why should anybody be against
another either siring or giving birth to a child? Why should being T.G. matter?
May Your Light Forever Shine
Same old..same old...
...it remains frustrating that the two men cited remain genetically female and then claim to be men. They seem to want the best of both worlds, which is quite alright, but the attention given them continues to take the focus of what most transgendered men and women face. But I suppose I'm speaking out of my own frustration and envy. Sorry.
Love, Andrea Lena
no matter
No matter what you want to do, there will be people who oppose it.
There will be more people who shrug their shoulders and say, "whatever," than those who actively oppose it. Still, those who actively oppose things tend to be rather loud about it.
What I find encouraging is that I'm seeing a lot of support for LGBT people among the younger folks. Things ARE changing. It's easy to think that it's too late for some of us, but the new technology that can build a new uterus will also be able to fix up the rest of our aging bodies. There may come a time when nobody has to die of old age anymore.
Also, strange and radical transformations will be inexpensive and commonplace. There will probably be people that get a makeover every year, or even more often. There will probably be fashion shows.
Dog tails are, like, sooooo last year. The in thing now is fox tails and kitty ears.
3D printed Kitty Ears?
Get. The. Fuck. In. ^_^
There will be people who are
There will be people who are going to want that, and other stuff. Have you ever seen any of the already existing extreme body mods that have been done?
However, it will likely be one more reason FDA will drag its heels.
*scratches head, thinking*
Retractable fairy wings!?
Nah, wont work, I would probably need a MAU for that, in which case I would likely want some other stuff first.
*giggles*
Retractable fairy wings
There is no reason for that to be impossible. They could be fully biological, or biological and mechanical (cyborg.) Alas, they won't provide flight without some serious modifications.
Because of the square-cube law, you would have to shrink yourself quite a bit. Additional reduction of weight can be achieved by replacing most of the calcium in your skeleton with carbon nanotubes. Still, it'll take quite a bit of power to get off the ground.
Come to think of it, it probably can be done. It will be an interesting engineering challenge.
Contact me in twenty or thirty years. I'll be the mad scientist with kitty ears, a foxy tail, retractable claws, and maybe a little fur.
I don't know...
I've only talked directly with one trans-man... And, he wasn't interested. But as with cis-men, trans-men cover a wide spectrum of interests.
I have talked to many trans-women (some pre/some post). Some have NO interest in children. Some would love to give birth. Some recognize they can't (with current technology) give birth, but still want biological children (save sperm). And so on... I know I postponed my transition when my first daughter was on the way, and I tried to give her a good father. (Then the same for her younger sister.) I'd not trade them in for anything (functioning bits, etc.).
As surgical options for trans-men are not as good as for trans-women, I can understand why many chose to NOT have their female bits removed. It's an expensive operation (If memory serves, it's more expensive than M2F GCS)... First removal of the girl bits... Then "crafting" the "boy bits" which work - not so well. So, keeping them makes some sense today.
I can certainly understand a couple wanting to have biological children. And, if one is physically capable of having them. I can see a few trans-men being willing to go through the pain / inconvenience for the family. Makes sense for me.
Am I envious/jealous? Maybe. At my age, I don't think I'd be a good candidate for motherhood... But mostly, no. If they can do this to have their family - and both parts of the couple agree. Why not?
What the tabloids / "news" outlets do to them? Sad, really sad. And, how it's twisted by those who either don't understand or don't want to. That probably hurts all of us.
My two cents.
Annette
Well said...
and right on the money.
As for the news outlets, I'm sure that some people are paid for the interviews. They may consider swallowing their pride and dignity a reasonable exchange for the resources that will make things better for their family.