No doubt some here have looked at my latest offering and asked themselves, 'Why is that twit bothering us with such a dark, yuckie story. I want to read about unicorns.'
Well, the old saying goes, 'Those who do not learn from history are destined to repeat it,' seems to apply here. One only needs to look at a news piece that I just happened to stumble on this morning to understand not everyone sees the events that took place in Germany in the 1930s were all bad.
Of particular interest is the picture of the subjects. In the play, 'South Pacific' there is a song called 'Carefully Taught' that speaks to an underlying theme of my current story.
http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/weird/Hitler-Parents-Cla...
After looking at the above news story, I think you can understand why I decided to go with the photo in the title box of my story.
Nancy Cole
I don't think we learn enough
from the horrors of history. As has also been said, "For evil to triumph it is enough only that good men do nothing".
S.
Just for the sake of argument
Lets say for a moment that the parents have done nothing wrong other than having a sick sense of humor. It scares me that Child Protective Services are the Gestapo in this case. Act first then figure out how to make it stick later. I have seen this happen to a couple that are close friends here in the Midwest, they are squeaky clean and as level headed as folks can get yet CPS misconstrued a situation and came in all heavy handed Gestapo as if the parents were criminals and cost them a fortune to sort out, never did get any acknowledgement or apology from CPS for screwing up. More like "we're still watching you"
Back to the nutjob family in the link, I do not for a minute think its that they have a bad sense of humor, they are F.I.T.H. and I do fear for the children and what their environment is passing down to them -BUT- if there is no evidence of abuse and the children wish to be with their parents, the CPS have yet again overstepped their authority. As much as we wish to scream in horror.
Interesting that
Interesting that Hitler's own family, three nephews, changed their name, moved to Britain then the United States and deliberately never had children that the shame on their family might die out. I believe they are all dead now.
I think a case could be made that just naming a child Adolph Hitler constitutes child abuse. It certainly does not come under any sort of free speech right because it involves the welfare of an innocent entrusted to one's care. If they felt so strongly about the name, they could have changed their own. That they didn't to me shows a callous disregard, if not depraved indifference, to the rights and welfare of their child. It might not hold up but if I were the lawyer for CPS, I would consider using the argument in court.
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Agreed Erin
I was trying to shut out the name thing in my head and see the otherwise limited facts as we know them. The whole "Boy Named Sue" thing is so unfortunately true. I believe we are shaped by many factors of our environments and growing up with these absurd names as a handicap would most certainly affect their lives. Unless they were home schooled and raised in a neo-nazi commune then maybe they'd fit right in.
Abusive, yes most definitely, but how is that interpreted under the law? Wouldn't Frank Zappa's kids; Dweezil, Moon (Moon Unit One), Ahmet, and Diva be considered abused then as well? If them, then how about Blanket Jackson? Where is the line drawn and by whom? I'd be the first to scream foul if it were a committee of church ladies who decide where the line was on objectionable. The names are in undoubtedly the poorest taste imaginable but when law and other social services are given the authority to determine what is done in poor taste and take action on it then are they any different than the Brownshirts? Think of how long it would take that kind of grey/fuzzy authority to apply to policing the gender community? That scares me very much. I'll bite my tongue on political segues.
I think CPS is going to have a tough time with this unless they have something else. Where is the ACLU, I figure they would be all over this as well?
Hate
The dividing line is hatred. Still not easy to determine but this is as clear a case as any. Zappa's kids are part of a culture fragment where such names are not that unusual, and the choice of name is also clearly not involving hatred of anyone.
Naming a kid Adolf Hitler, however, to me demonstrates not only a hatred of the a society that made that name anathema but also hatred of the child. Again, would it stand up in court since hate crime laws (sometimes with good reason) are few and far between in America.
Naming a child after one of the last century's greatest villains demonstrates not poor taste but contempt, moral weakness and hate. Lots of hate. My opinion and the court case would have to decide but I think that in this case, CPS were justified in removing the child from the dangers represented by the child's parents. And in the interest of the child's welfare, the parent's now have to prove their worthiness. Sometimes it is a poor system but it's hard to conceive of one that would work better given legal realities and human nature.
As for the ACLU, there is no case for them here unless they wish to file on behalf of the children. The parent's civil liberties are being respected because they are going to get their day in court. The children have no civil liberties that are not defined by the system, that is the way it works and so the ACLU might have a case to step in to help define what civil liberties the children should be entitled to.
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
The Master Race sure ain't what it used to be...
Back in the days of the Thousand Year Reich (which fell short of their boast by 988 years, snerk!) the Nazi party's membership included Army Generals and industrialists, University professors and at least one world famous composer. What would these pillars of National Socialism think of the self-styled Aryans and "protectors of the white race" you see in America today? With one or two exceptions (who have a decent blue collar job and manage to pay the rent on time), the ones I've met are pretty much all scuzzy illiterate losers with prison records and often some sort of debilitating drug habit; Total f==kups whining about how they can't get a break with that Zionist controlled Walmart giving all the jobs to lowly minority types, or whatever the hell they're babbling about as they sit around drinking and listening to really bad music. If you're fortunate enough to not know any fascist skinheads the movie AMERICAN HISTORY X gives a pretty good picture of their scumbag culture.
I imagine if these genetically dubious Supermen somehow got their hands on a time machine and tried to go visit the original Adolf Hilter and his pals they wouldn't be allowed in the door. It's kind of reassuring that while racism is still a nasty problem that particularly vile and arrogant philosophy of race (which recent discoveries in genetics have put the final coffin nails in) has so little credibility anymore...
~~hugs, Veronica Valkyrie
White supremacy
They probably even call the child "Ay-dolf" instead of "Add-olf"
I have often pondered why those people who shout about white supremacy are so, well, unsupreme.
Yeah, really!
I mean, after all, we all know the Chinese are #1!
^_~
Kim
The Nazi's unfortunately had use for that kind of loser
I totally agree that in our society the white supremacist druggies are a bunch of losers, an out of accountability regime can find a lot of uses for morally retarded with a log size chip on their shoulder. A favourite tool of any brutal regime all over the world.