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I just received an advert for another Joan of Arc book and looking at the blurb I wondered "What if Joan was TG?" This isn't something I 'm capable of developing but I'd like to see what some of our writers can make of it…
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Lots of stories about Joan d'arc
Most of them are fabrication or a mixture of half truths and lies.
Joan was a seer. She had visions no one else could see nor could they fathom other than the girl was crazy. Remember the times, of purification in which the "Church" were the only ones allowed to talk to God and tell the masses what God had said. And heaven forbid anyone outside the sanctity of said Church could be worthy enough to talk to God. A wee girl yet claimed to. Blasphemy!
I can tell you from personal experience nothing has changed in the centuries since. This is NOT a religious channel so we won't go into it here.
Suffice to say Joan was blessed by God, hated by the Church. Was she TG? She wore pants when it was an unpardonable sin for a woman to do so. She cut her hair short. And to prove how much of a sin everything Joan d'arc was doing, the Church imprisoned her and burned her at the stake at the ripe old age of nineteen.
Joan wasn't the first to wear armor and pants but she happened to be at the wrong time in history as the Church was burning everyone who didn't bow down to their authority. Was she TG or Lesbian? I'm not sure. If one has ever tried to do anything in a full skirt with a hem down to the tops of their shoes they would easily understand Joan's choice of attire. And about that armor she wore? Self preservation comes to mind. People were running around with lots of pointy things and sharp things back then. Armor would be a very good idea if one was in the thick of battle and wanted to increase their odds of coming out alive.
A beautiful girl touched by God to lead France from the invasion of England?
Times and people never change do they? Hatred of those different from themselves still persists.
always
Barb
Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl
Religion
It saddens me to see how religion is used to attack people who are different from the rest.
I was always taught to be loving and accepting of people. I can't see how burning Joan at the stake was in keeping with any writing in any religious text. Religion almost seems be used as a weapon instead of as a guide to how someone should live their lives.
Slight clarification
The English church burned Joan of Arc at the stake because it was a politically sensible thing to do at the time.
Joan did have problems with the French church but obviously her arguments prevailed, otherwise she would never have been allowed to lead men into battle.
Penny
Saint Joan D'Arc
I have done a fair amount of research on the Maid of Orleans. One of the most interesting authors to write about her was Mark Twain. But, I do not consider myself an expert.
As far as religion goes, In my mind it was used as it always has been, a tool to control the masses. The real reason for Joan's downfall, was that she as a woman, beat the best men in the English Army. Great Military Commanders always must defend their honor or legacy. War in the 14th Century was probably the most manly thing one could do, and to lose to a woman, and one who was barely a woman at 18 years of age, was a great embarrassment and humiliation both in the so called male "Locker Room" and back home in England.
The French allowed her to be held captive by the English, a political compromise. The English had a difficult time with what crime to charge her with. It was not politically correct to charge her of being the Commander of the French Army who beat the English, that would be admitting she as a woman was better at the man's game than the men!
Nor could they condemn her for listening to voices from God. The Bible is full of both males and females who acted upon voices from God.
So over the months of imprisonment the English collaborated with the Church on the crime of wearing male clothing. A rather dubious charge at best, it sort of fails the common sense test and the logic is not very logical. But in the time of the Inquisition, many were punished and executed for much less.
The English still had designs on defeating France and installing their own choice on the throne. So allowing a person such as Joan to exist was a threat to future conquests. In the end, the English military used the Roman Catholic Church to get rid of this woman.
Just like the notorious gangster Al Capone, a dubious charge allowed prosecutors to put him in prison. This is what I like about "real history," it is never so cut and clear and without knowing the politics and following the money, you will never really understand the story!
There are loads of crasy things said about inquisition.
Take for example infamous "Malleus Maleficarum".
If you use contemporary knowledge of physics and replace "malefica" with "suspicious coin" you will find that it is a straightforward manual on detecting counterfeit coins and weights. So "witches" in there were false money, scales and weights. And from this we can deduce that main task of inquisition was fight against the counterfeit coins. And burned at the stake were not witches but forgers.
(it is a completely different problem that most of the history fails to pass simplest of sanity checks... Like antique naval battle with 300 to 300 ships in the bay that is so small that there is not enough space for 300 rowboats ;-) Or armies of 100000+ warriors in the times when there were no means to feed so many soldiers even if the army was stationary. And no way available to keep it supplied on the move) So a good idea is not to believe any of the "historians" outright without conducting basic sanity check (like: horse needs 20 to 25 kg of forage including oats per day and 25 litres of fresh water per day. "Historians" claim that army had 10000 of the cavalry. Where foragers obtained and how they moved 500 tonns of supplies to the horses every single day, day after day?).
Counting
As my old math teacher used to say:
There are three types of people in the world; "Those who can count, and those who can't!"
Joan de Arc
I just read the précis written by Manda Scott. Very thought provoking. It would seem easier to believe Joan was John, then believe all that was attributed to Joan. The ability to 'ride astride' would make sense for a peasant girl, as the Gentry had to ride side saddle. A peasant would most likely, just jump on board bare back on the farm.
Why would the Cousins In America be investigating you? (Just watching my tax dollars)
Kevin