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Some of you may remember that recently I had some unexpected news: my eldest son was (a) getting married and (b) preparing for fatherhood. We flew over for the wedding in New York and subsequently to visit our twin grand-daughters.

Since then, he has declared his intention of returning to England, so we have to prepare for the hordes...

He's not sure exactly which country they are going to end up in or who will have what job so they will be temporarily living near us and using us as a base... which means we will become child-minders... not that we mind, of course.

That means, initially, that we have to make the house (or certain parts of it, at least) child-proof and prepare somewhere for the little darlings to sleep. Now, we have a spare third bedroom and he used it when visiting, but when he went to NY to work he filled it with all his belongings so we have to clear that out to make room for two cots. We also have to clear the rest of the house and do all those little jobs we've been putting off. You know exactly what I'm talking about, don't you?

That's a big part of the reason why SEE has been a little sluggish recently. My attention has also been diverted by the need to sort out pensions, do the garden, make some essential repairs... and buy a vehicle big enough for six people.

It's not easy, at least not in Britain. There are a number of models around that appear to offer six or seven seats but these are often compromises. Six seaters are usually 3x3, and I've driven vans with three up front and it can get cosier than most people are comfortable with. Seven seaters are usually 2x3x2 with the rearmost two being 'jump seats' suitable only for taking part of a junior football team to and from the pitch. Adults will fit, but only if they are 5' 2" or for journeys less than a mile.

I wanted three rows, having been driven by my son in New York: If you put both child seats in the second row, only a small adult can squeeze between them and that person can't attend to the girls anyway because they can't turn easily. One in the middle and one in the back is the most comfortable way for both adults and children.

A complication occurs if you go up in size, which was what I wanted to do. I wanted room to take all the gear that one-year-old twins are likely to need around with them. The problem there is that larger vehicles are usually nine seats (3x3x3), which makes them a minibus (a commercial vehicle) and thus commerical rates of tax and insurance. I could have had a Mercedes Vito, which is eight seats arranged as 2x2x2x2 with a nice aisle down the middle but any Mercedes is going to be expensive to buy, insure and to run.

You can find seven or eight seater larger vehicles, but they are much rarer than hen's teeth and the insurers don't really understand them so they charge a lot.

So I eventually found a model which has 'reasonable' rearmost seats, a Citroen C4 Grand Picasso, but actually finding one for sale was almost impossible. Trawling online found me a number but when I phoned up they had always already gone. I eventually found a nearby vendor who had advertised three but had sold them all. He did however have a 2010 vintage model at a reasonable price for the fittings included. It was an ex-Motability[1] vehicle and thus fully automatic, which means that people used to US driving would be able to handle it OK. There appeared to be no obvious modifications. Fine, I'll have it.

Now I had to get insurance in order to drive it away. Having gotten rid of my van I've been driving as a named driver on my partner's car for the past four years so didn't have insurance of my own. Only, I couldn't insure it, because when I went online for a quote the registration mark came up with a completely different vehicle. OMG! It's a clone car! Talked to the vendor and he was horrified. But, it had only one owner and that was a government agency, so what had gone wrong?

The V5 document, the 'log book' issued by the DVLA[2], was correct. I'd seen that when I went to look at the vehicle. I did an on-line vehicle check and discovered the records had the right vehicle with one detail error: petrol instead of diesel. More frantic phone calls and it was confirmed that (1) the vehicle was real, (2) the DVLA entry was correct but the (separate) vehicle check database was wrong; and (3) the insurer's database was complete fiction.

It took five days to get the various databases updated for me to be able to get insurance and even then they had to manually override some bad information. Then we went and fetched the car. The rules for taxing a car on change of owner have now changed, so that you can't take over the existing tax allowance on a vehicle. It couldn't be taxed on-line or by post as the vehicle class had changed - remember, it was taxed as disabled previously, which meant none at all, and now it was being changed to normal taxation. So, a trip to the nearest post-office, in the pouring rain, in a car I had never driven before, with a transmission I had never used before. Fun!

Still, we now have a car that is big enough to take everyone and in comfort on long journeys. We can use it before they come to take stuff to recycling/charities/storage and to buy cots/baby seats/extra furniture etc. before they arrive. It's... interesting to drive, never ever having used an automatic before but easy enough to adjust to.

Now all we have to do is wait until they arrive. That happens July 22nd on the Queen Mary at Southampton. before then I hope to get at least two more chapters up but after that point I'm not sure how easy it will be to write. The little dears' room is right next to where I write and I'm sure the keyboard clacking will keep them awake.

We'll see.

Oh, and yes, we are spending the children's inheritance!

Penny

[1] Motability: A UK government agency which provides vehicles to persons registered disabled. These may have modifications to accomodate that person's particular disability. These cars are bough from new and are changed when they are five years old. That's why there are so many adverts online for used models. Vehicles for the disabled don't attract tax.

[2] DVLA: Driver and Vehicle Licensing Agency, based in Swansea, Wales, is the UK Government agency which administers licences for drivers and registrations for all vehicles in the UK. I guess it would be the UK equivalent of the DMV in US states.

Comments

You should

drive the vehicle as much as possible before the horde arrives. If you are adjusting to an automatic transmission for the first time, after a lifetime of driving manual shift, you need to give your brain time to develop the habit that stopping ONLY involves no throttle, and the brake. You may discover this the first time you are a little distracted and someone does something stupid right in front of you! If automatic cars in the UK have oversized brake pedals as they do in the US, you'll likely hit the brake with both feet. What a surprise that will give you!

It is nice living a quiet, secluded life. Living in a house with a large family and small children can be taxing, but it is so rewarding, when you can find the time to reflect! I'm sure you'll love it!

Hugs
Carla Ann

DVLA

Yes, that would be the UK equivalent of the Registry of Motor Vehicles here in Massachusetts. Yes, in other States it would be referred to as the Department of Motor Vehicles :) We don't have a national version, each State controls their own system. It would be like England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland had their own Agencies in charge of licences and registrations instead of the single Agency you have.

Actually, it's worse than

Actually, it's worse than that. We have the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration, which dictates all of the stuff that the individual states are supposed to be tracking, and what the cars are supposed to have - such as side markers, turn signals, yellow headlights are illegal, etc.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Final authority

While the Feds set minimum standards for vehicles imported into the United States, it still is the individual states that determine what constitutes a registerable vehicle. For instance, there are absolutly brand-new vehicles sold by the manufacturers in the rest of the US that the state of California will not allow to be registered in their state.

For awhile in Oklahoma people were registering so-called "golf cars" - electric vehicles much like golf carts but intended for passenger transportation. They met Federal standards for their use catagory and people were making money buying one of these due to the federal and state tax credits available for buying an electric vehicle. Literally people recouped more money in tax refunds than the cost of the vehicle in the first place. The state finally stepped in and removed the ability to tag these as motor vehicles. At that point the bottom dropped out of the EV market in Oklahoma and it still hasn't recovered.


I went outside once. The graphics weren' that great.

I guarantee you that the

I guarantee you that the states aren't the final authority. A large manufacturer had brought in a small fleet of 'kei' car sized trucks to use inside their plants and facilities. They were brought in specifically as -non- road vehicles, which should have been under the aegis of the local state for any registration or alterations necessary - at least, by your (and the federal regulations) definition.

Instead, US Customs and the National Highway turkeys demanded that the cars had to have governors added, plus other modifications, before they'd allow them to be released from Customs. DESPITE the fact that they were not going to be anywhere close to a public road - and private property doesn't have speed limits. (Personally, I'd love to have one of those trucks. They had two types. One had two captains chairs, and a truck back. The other had four seats, and a small truck back. Very good for giving tours of plants in comfort, because they had air conditioning and everything)

So, no matter what you think, the states are only allowed to have authority for anything the feds let them get - even though the Feds aren't supposed to make those determinations for the states.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Please note

By your own admission, this occurred prior to the vehicles' entry into the US., not to mention this was a bulk commercial purchase from a foreign country. Until passed by US Customs, those vehicles were not legally in the US. So, since they were not in the United States, state laws did not apply. Also, as they were not being imported for use on the streets and highways they would not fall under state laws regarding motor vehicle registration. Instead, as offroad vehicles they fell into an entirely different catagory. I strongly suspect that they had no registration papers, only a bill of sale.

Apples and oranges


I went outside once. The graphics weren' that great.

That's not true. There are no

That's not true. There are no federal regulations for golf carts, for example. Vehicles used on private property have no federal regulations, unless they're atomic powered or similar.

The US government is not allowed to interfere in transfer of property from a country to a state unless it directly violates US law. Requiring that vehicles used on private property to have a governor is NOT US law, it was the (no longer there) guy in charge of the local TSA/Customs playing stupid shit.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Top Gear

You did not attempt to get one of the stretch limo's from Top Gear? Jeremy's looked really nice :)

How about one of those build

How about one of those build-it-yourself RV's they made?


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

As I remember Jen,

didn't you used to drive a 'tranny van'? Surely the latter-day ford tourano might have fitted the bill.
Choice of 7 or nine seats with oodles of luggage space. It's a tranny with windows and seats.

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Tourano

I almost bought one of those, it was an eight-seater that had been used for crew transport at Ford Bridgend.

Problem was the insurers couldn't get their heads round the fact that the V5 said it was a car and insisted on classing it as a minibus... and therefore a commercial vehicle... which I didn't want.

It also turned out to be a little large for my requirements, although it ticked all the other boxes. I'd have had it if nothing else were available.

I really wanted a Mercedes Vito but too expensive. My second pick would have been something like a Citroen Dispatch Combi seven or eight-seater, since that would have been roomy enough to deal with squirming 1-year-olds comfortably without being too large. Trouble is, 7 or 8 seaters are on special order and eight-month waiting list from new... I got what I could in the end.

The ride I got was good enough to do what we need, and that's what counts in the end.

Penny

A long term hire?

If they don't know how long they would stay, either a hire or a lease car might work? Don't know how that works in Blighty.

Penny,

Penny,
Heck, try being transferred to various States during your working career and getting your vehicle(s) licensed, registered and insured. Each and every one has their different rules and regulations, plus to cap it all is the requirement to get that particular State's drivers license as well. Only if you hold a drivers license from your home state and it has a law allowing military members to have a "permanent" nor required to renew license, do you get away from the "get a new drivers license, plates and registration when you transfer hassle".
I remember when we were stationed in England from 53-56, we had a 54 Hudson Commodore, (can you say BIG); at least by British car sizes of the day. People used to ask my Dad where he got the "Bus".
He would reply, no, it is just a standard size American automobile; that could seat 6 easily, 8 if you squeezed in tight.
Good luck on your new car and as was mentioned, absolutely drive and practice with the automatic and beware of the power brakes, stepping hard on them will definitely be an eye opener.
Having little ones around the house is so much fun, and will keep you on the run. It is only when you DON'T hear anything, that you need to start worrying. ;)
Hugs, Janice

House training

Oh, yes, we have been there and done that.

When we used to visit they would play in front of us and then move around... after a while you'd realize that all was quiet and go to find them, discovering them in the bedroom (their room in the one-bed apartment). They would either be up to their hips in clothing pulled out of drawers or about to dive into something else. One would give you a look which said "What?" and the other one's look would be, "Who, me?"

Those two are sharp. Both their parents are exceptionally intelligent (although I may be biased, of course), and it looks like these two follow the trend. They learn things very quickly and each watches the other to see if they have found out anything new.

The next few years could be very interesting. I'm glad I'm only a grand-parent.

Penny